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mtraven··on The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]
There hasn't been much written on the Lisp Machines that I know of. Alan Kay's History of Smalltalk might be a good place to start, the LispM owed a lot to earlier work done at PARC: http://worrydream.com/EarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk/
mtraven··on The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]
I founded the mailing list the book was based on. These days I say, Unix went from being the worst operating system available, to being the best operating system available, without getting appreciably better. (which may not be entirely accurate, but don't flame me).

And still miss my Lisp Machine. It's not that Unix is really that bad, it's that it has a certain model of computer use which has crowded out the more ambitious visions which were still alive in the 70s and 80s.

Much as the web (the Unix of hypertext) crowded out the more ambitious visions of what computational media for intellectual work could be (see the work of Doug Engelbart and Ted Nelson). That's a bigger tragedy IMO. Unix, eh, it's good enough, but the shittiness of the web makes humanity stupider than we should be, at a time when we can ill afford it.

mtraven··on Mindstorms: Children, Computers, and Powerful Ideas (1980) [pdf]
Mindstorms is not about technology, it is about a particular approach to learning (constructionism) that happens to mesh very well with interactive computation. See http://namodemello.com.br/pdf/tendencias/situatingconstrutiv...
mtraven··on Future of Statistical Programming
The article doesn't mention this, but after some poking around it appears that the interactive demo is written in Morphic, the Smalltalk successor that Alan Kay and colleagues have been working on for the last couple of decades.
mtraven··on California ranks last in quality of life in new report
I invite all the Fox News viewers and others who take this BS seriously to move out of this hellhole and go to states with a higher quality of life rank such as Mississippi (#6) or Arkansas (#7), and send us a postcard so we can be jealous.
mtraven··on Is Silicon Valley Actively Biased Against Certain Viewpoints?
A survey on a self-selected group is kind of worthless. Eg, their results show a plurality of libertarians, which may be the case in reality but is much more likely to be an effect of libertarians being more likely to take the time to fill out the form.
mtraven··on How Floyd Mayweather Helped Two Young Guys from Miami Get Rich in ICO
Maybe secret to thenselves, but making the mark think he's in on the game is central to con artist technique.
mtraven··on Is Software Engineering Possible?
Nice title, although I don't think the proposed solution (formal proof methods) is the answer. My own view is that building software is more of a design process than an engineering process, for the simple reason that software rarely has the kind of fixed requirements that make engineering solutions possible. Most software is constantly evolving and the factors that make it possible to evolve well include things like conceptual clarity and modularity, about which formal methods have nothing to say.

There was a movement around 20 years ago to establish a field of practice called"software design" but I don't think it went anywhere. The problems remain the same though. http://hci.stanford.edu/publications/bds/

mtraven··on Portacle – A Portable Common Lisp Development Environment
In Clojure it's #(+ 2 %), pretty compact if cryptic. Actually no reason you couldn't make a reader macro in CL to look similar.
mtraven··on How to make Slack less bad for you
Somebody awhile back pointed out that Slack the app is about the most anti-Slack thing ever produced.
mtraven··on YC Research
Well, they mostly support research designed to prevent harmful AI, which is important but hardly the only or best approach to AI research.
mtraven··on “A Statement with My View on Curtis Yarvin and Strange Loop”
Some commentary: http://omniorthogonal.blogspot.com/2015/06/moldbuggery.html The first link there offers a theory of how nerd culture interacts (or tries to avoid interacting) with politics to produce things like libertarianism and neoreaction.
mtraven··on Prof. Sussman's Reading List
It's pretty funny to see Freud being trashed in a Marvin Minsky thread: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781118555927.ch1...
mtraven··on Deep Learning vs. Probabilistic Graphical Models vs. Logic
Try the BOOC: http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/probabilistic-graphical-models
mtraven··on Hostile AI: You're soaking in it
I think you are homing in on a key philosophical difference between me and LessWrongsters. Don't really have time to get into it now, except to say that it is kind of arrogant to think you can design or think about superintelligences without reference to the best existing intelligent systems we have. Especially if you want to keep them goal-compatible. The pathologies of such systems are especially instructive.
mtraven··on Hostile AI: You're soaking in it
Fixed in post, thanks (and insert some juvenile snark about how-are-you-gonna-make-a-superintelligence-when-you-can't-even-keep-your-links-from-rotting? here).
mtraven··on Hostile AI: You're soaking in it
The fact that it hasn't happened yet is good evidence that it isn't as easy as all that.

Also, evolution optimizes for survival and reproduction, not intelligence. While it may be possible to design an artificial evolutionary system that optimizes for superintelligence, I don't think doing so is trivial (or it would have been done).

Let's posit that your image of post-singularity non-friendly AIs is accurate. They are an immense and irresistible force, like a black hole. I can imagine something like that, but I have a great deal of difficulty imagining something like that that is also constrained by initial design decisions made by humans before the singularity, which is what the friendly AI people hope to achieve. To be fair I haven't read all their stuff yet and I'm sure they address this point.

mtraven··on Hostile AI: You're soaking in it
Indeed, that is a nice and concise way of putting it.
mtraven··on Hostile AI: You're soaking in it
OP here, nonplussed that his obscure blog suddenly is near the top of Hacker News.

First, I don't think that corporations are nothing but parasites, and said as much in the article. I did say that finance was parasitical. That was probably too strong. Allocation of capital is a useful function; the problem is that the allocators are helping themselves to a far larger cut of the proceedings than the value they produce (and I don't particularly want to argue that here, just wanted to clarify what I meant).

Second, the more central point about whether the Singularity Institute types are wasting their time and should refocus their thinking. It is true that not many people are thinking about the effects of superhuman AIs, and there's no harm and possibly some good in a few smart weirdos focusing on that, especially since corporations have been around and critiqued for so long.

However, we are so far away from producing anything remotely close to that level of AI, that I fear their work is ungrounded. It strikes me as fun quasi-SF rather than serious engineering.

But I take believe they are seriously interested in world improvement, so my suggestion to them in their work on "benevolent goal architectures" is to study how existing goal architectures work, that is to look at existing economic and social systems where disparate individual goals are coordinated into cooperative or conflicting action, and how the results are related to human goals and human flourishing.

For my part, I am in the process of trying to understand their friendly AI work better so I critique it from a more informed standpoint.

mtraven··on Gmail was down
Some blogspot blogs are down as well.
mtraven··on Prototypes Are Not Classes
CLOS
mtraven··on The Mathematical Hacker (2012)
As a Lisp hacker, I am somewhat stunned to learn that the world suffers from too much Lisp philosophy and that Lisp is unmathematical. Not to mention that Eric Raymond is a spokesman for Lisp.

Actually there is a somewhat valid and interesting point in that essay, obscured by crap. There are differences between numerical computing culture and symbolic computing culture; people should know both. But from where I sit hardly anyone these days is familiar with symbolic computing while everyone either claims to be or wants to be a “data scientist”, that is, do numerical machine learning. Nothing wrong with that, but I have a hard time seeing numbers as the underdog in this fight.

mtraven··on Why Google isn't our Bell Labs
You aren't that old, son: http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf
mtraven··on Lisp is for Stupid People
Yes good modularity is the essence of what I was calling good design.

The point was that Lisp has better tools for achieving good modularity.

mtraven··on Mysterious Google barge is a massive showroom, “party deck”
Nothing stops a party barge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv9Wblb3zJo
mtraven··on Why Microsoft Word must die
How many other software products have entire groups and conferences dedicated to tracking and mitigating the problems they cause? http://www.eusprig.org/
mtraven··on Stanford researchers to open source model they say has nailed sentiment analysis
Not yet, they said it would be released in late October. Paper is here: http://nlp.stanford.edu/~socherr/EMNLP2013_RNTN.pdf
mtraven··on Please, don't buy my book on Amazon
http://www.web.ca/~tslee/ No One Makes You Shop at Wal-Mart, by Tom Slee

...shows why individual choice fails to give us what we want, and why we need to rely on collective action rather than individual choice to take us to where we want to be.

Don't buy it on Amazon...

mtraven··on Do call yourself a programmer, and other career advice
Now I'm wondering if there is a difference between call-by-value girls and call-by-reference girls.
mtraven··on Stasi vs NSA: A comparison of data storage
Well, I guess it is safe to say that the Stasi would have sucked up and stored zettabytes if they had the capability to do so.

So, the implication that the NSA is much worse than the Stasi is wrong. But they don't seem to be any better, at least when it comes to data collection. That is not very comforting.

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