lurknn

Your definition is a bit circular, friend. :)

Fair enough! Though, you do realize that the whole ICE thing has been baking for nearly a year now? The central question I think is: at what point does the employee realize that discussion is more for his/her sake than for the sake of actual change?

I agree that employees have the power to change their employer, I merely am pointing out a potential other option that I rarely see discussed. Github is one thing, and an organization that I think is better than most, I think I was mainly thinking of other equivalents, like Facebook, which has _never_ been anything but reprehensible, and yet employees try to believe in this "change from inside" narrative. At a certain point, it is only self-delusion.

To be honest, I dislike America, and do plan to leave it in the next couple of years. I've always considered it a reasonable option :)

I once met a man who was a who believed deeply in aestheticism. His perception was that the only thing that mattered was the aesthetics of the thing, nothing more. Morality took a second seat, as did everything else. I could not, for the life of me, convince him that life is a bit more multidimensional than that. With each topic, he would aestheticize it, if you will, then speak of how his aesthetization of the topic proved his point. "See: aesthetics!"

It's no different than those who claim everything is "political", which of course all too clearly betrays their steadfast belief in "historical materialism". If you make everything political, refuse to see anything except through a political lens, then yes - everything is political.

I must say, the man of aesthetics was much more interesting to talk to.

If working with ICE is so reprehensible, why are none of these employees taking advantage of their in-demand skillset and moving on to companies that better respect their values?

I'm sympathetic with those who point out that corporations typically have more leverage than individual employees, and that changing jobs is not so easy for those who are less privileged. That category, though, of "less privileged" with regards to employment flexibility simply does not apply to the average Github employee, at all, as sircmpwn frequently points out.

Furthermore, regardless of which side of this debate you stand on, it is definitely disheartening to see people so vehemently against this relationship yet do NOT back up their feelings with actions. I cannot help but scoff when I see people on Github with "stop ICE" profile pictures. It's nothing but a profound selfishness: wanting to be on the self-perceived "right side of history" but not so much so that you set your origin to Gitlab or SourceHut instead...