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President, Knowledge Standards Foundation. Building an encyclosphere. Co-founder, Wikipedia (and many others).
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lsanger··on Wikipedia RFC to stop accepting cryptocurrencies passes by majority vote
So Wikipedia doesn't accept crypto anymore. Who cares? They don't need it!

The Knowledge Standards Foundation does. We're making an open network of all the encyclopedias (http://encyclosphere.org). Contact us: info@encyclosphere.org

Disclosure: I was co-founder of Wikipedia, once upon a time, and the KSF is my project.

lsanger··on Wikipedia Co-Founder Larry Sanger is now working on a decentralized encyclopedia
I'm not "working on a decentralized encyclopedia." I am working on tools and standards to network together all the encyclopedias in the world. See encyclosphere.org.
lsanger··on Geeks: Give the Gift of Computer Security
Grandma is never going to install a password manager. That's your job, geek. Besides, it's a great, unique, valuable Christmas present!
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
Oy, you really did not understand why I moved, even though I explained it quite clearly.
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
> Well it doesn't help that Linux desktop is backed by one of the most condescending cultures that ever stalked the internet.

Ouch.

lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
Apple wants to store your data in iCloud--I don't wanna. I don't trust them.

Apple is happy to learn a lot about you. Hence the feds can learn a lot about you through them.

But most important to me is this wretched speech by Tim Cook: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/03/tim-cook-adl-keynote-sp...

What a censorious tool. Soured me on Apple for, probably, ever.

lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
Good point.

My support person was my 12-year-old son. ;-)

lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
Did I suggest that people follow my precise route? I'm not sure I did. I was just reporting how I did it.
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
It's not meant to win over an average Joe. It's meant to maybe win over the sort of people who read my blog--technical or semi-technical, intelligent in any case, capable of thinking outside the box...
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
I'm not, really. Before they moved to the crowd (I refused to follow them there), I used to be an Office expert. I knew the software inside and out. I still use Word 2007. But no, I never did install Office 365 (I see my mistake now!).
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
I didn't even know that was running. I'm going to remove it.
lsanger··on How and why I transitioned to Linux, and how you can too
Author of the article here. I just noticed that it had been posted on Hacker News. Thanks to se7entime!
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
Ever since I heard of this site, I've thought that (annotating the web, or parts of the web) is a great idea for a website, and they're executing it pretty well. It's not what we're doing, but it's still cool and my guess is they'll keep growing.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
In the wonderful event that Infobitt becomes a superior product and accordingly gains market share to the detriment of news sources, then we will of course know where our bread is buttered. Infobitt will suck without good sources; so probably we'll end up paying our sources ourselves.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
This is a good idea. We need to code the "like" feature as the first step to implementing this.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
It's certainly something we can consider now that we've soft-launched. We've thought about it in the past, and now I guess it is a good idea to consider it again!
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
Battling organized partisanship is a problem for down the road. My hope is that, by the time we deal with that, we'll have the funding and the personnel to code up a system that enables us to test out some technical solutions to this problem. There are lots of ideas...
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
The fact that bitt and fact order, as well as which fact is displayed to the reader, is (or will soon be) subject to vote will provide a moderating influence, I hope.

The reason Wikipedia articles are often biased is that people in authority in the community simply do not respect the neutrality policy. Even if most Wikipedians and most readers would prefer things to be more balanced, those in de facto control of an article determine the article's degree of bias. If the wording and order of facts is determined by open public vote, my hypothesis is that there will be more of a moderating effect.

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
I actually agree. This is one area in which Wikipedia shines. But when it comes to breaking news, or tracking the actual order of events as they were reported, not so much.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
As I have said several times before, Wikipedia doesn't follow Surowiecki's rules for "wisdom of crowds" effects.

The Infobitt model has an advantage over wikis that will enable a wisdom of crowds effect. People contribute and vote independently of each other, not by having to agree on a single version of the content. Yes, there can be comments, and that will have a biasing effect; but what people say in comments is obviously not as important as their votes, which they can exercise independently of each other and comments.

Also, since the pieces of content are short and fungible, they are therefore capable of being subject to contests. We can submit competing versions of facts, and the best can rise to the top.

Finally, every fact in Infobitt has to be sourced, and the fact is a summary of the source; and (soon) we'll be able to compete to write the best summary. So, to be sure, we'll have bad summaries occasionally, but generally I think we'll have good ones, once we've built the community up some more.

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
Yes, may the best model win!
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
Yes, agreed. There are some issues (mostly having to do with scalability) we have to sort out before we launch to public view without login.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
I have of course wondered what it would be like to do Infobitt with a wiki, and I considered setting a wiki up for that purpose. The bottom line is that wikis lack the potential reasons for using the Infobitt format in the first place--making it easier to compete as well as collaborate, making it possible to vote on small pieces of content (as well as the ordering of the content), etc.

In other words, wiki forces users to collaborate on the same extended piece of content. This has all sorts of great effects, if enough people are participating. But it makes it harder to make short fungible pieces of content, rearrange them by vote, and do contests to discover the best version of each type.

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
No, it's not. I use Google News when trying to figure out how to organize and summarize the news. Google News isn't very good at ranking news, and it doesn't even try to summarize the facts in the news.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
The news on the front page looks a little weird because a bunch of new people from Hacker News just arrived and ranked the news very quickly and sloppily. So it's OK. In a few days when things have settled down (??), you'll see it's much more plausible. As for being U.S.-heavy, we will of course have a U.K. version, other national versions, other languages...but that'll be post-launch and post-second funding round.

In the long run our platform will make it possible for you to get the news ranked according to your preferences and interests, which will be made possible by the fact that we break the news into facts that people can rank differently. So your friends' (and compatriots') rankings can be up-weighted and what you're shown will be different.

I know this isn't what you see on the site yet...but in 2001 and 2002 you wouldn't see what you'd have liked on the front page of Wikipedia, either. :-)

Sorry, no API yet. We will have one; we're open content. We're not even hard-launched. We've built what you see on a shoestring...

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
I'd prefer to say that it started with a bang (it really did) but slowed way down due to the unsupportable weight of trying to compete with the 800-pound-gorilla, Wikipedia. :-)
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
"Wikipedia for news" might be a brief statement of the purpose of Wikinews, but it isn't an attempt to solve the problem I'm concerned to solve. Wikipedia made encyclopedias better by making a giant encyclopedia. Wikinews didn't make news better...in any way. What we want to do is actually organize the news, including the "long tail" of citizen journalism, into "small pieces, loosely joined" in the form of one-sentence fact summaries. The result will enable a scalable community to co-author a truly useful, complete, and giant selection of the news, without the noise and confusion that besets the news today. So that's the difference.
lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
I was Wikipedia's co-founder and first and so far only community manager/chief instigator. I did contribute a bunch of articles, don't know how many, while in that position. I wasn't paid per article.

If you don't pay people, you have to compensate them in other ways--especially in terms of community recognition and other evidence of the value of their work to the community/readership as a whole.

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
I appreciate the feedback and the connection! Clearly, the content creation models are quite different; our focus is pretty exclusively on hard news (for now); we summarize (and can rearrange) individual facts from many sources instead of making one narrative per story written by one person; and you don't rank the news in any meaningful way, as far as I can tell (do correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see how).

We've got quite a few very motivated writers who find writing bitts to be fun, and they know they're working on a site that will be open content (complete with API) and thus a potentially forkable public resource. We're considering doing a profit-sharing system, but I'm worried about the effect that will have on the community. We haven't even hard-launched (the content is still behind a login), we have had minimal publicity, and yet we've got enough regular participants to have a decent evening edition. Relying exclusively on paid writers will prove a drain on resources and might pose a significant roadblock to allowing the site to scale. It's a good thing we didn't do that with Wikipedia...

lsanger··on Infobitt – A movement to do for the news what Wikipedia did for encyclopedias
It's democratic, like Hacker News. We'll ask people not to include value judgments/obvious bias, but when it comes to relative ranking of facts, and how facts are worded (a matter for contests), we'll have to trust in the moderating influence of a wide variety of contributors.

In the fullness of time, at scale, we'll have features permitting us to filter/weight the news presented to us according to our preferences. Breaking news into small pieces makes this possible.

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