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The fact that there is no clear trend in lower percentiles makes this more suspect to me.
If you want to control for user base evolution given the growth they've seen, look at the percentiles by cohort.
I actually come away from this questioning the METR work on autonomy.
You can see the trend for other percentiles at the bottom of this, which they link to in the blog post https://cdn.sanity.io/files/4zrzovbb/website/5b4158dc1afb211...
I think your mental model for an LLM vendor is similar to a foundry (i.e. TSMC). They spend a bunch of R&D on developing leading edge nodes and build foundries. That in your mental model would be similar to training costs.
My point is the correct mental model is more like (but not exactly like) a SaaS company, ironically. SaaS unit economics are a function of gross margin, churn and acquisition costs, i.e. Revenue x gross margin / churn - CAC. My point is some element (maybe the entirety) of training costs are more like CAC than they are like TSMC's R&D and capex. The question to ask to test this view is: is what happens to OpenAI or Anthropic revenue in 2027 or 2028 if they stop spending on training today? My view is it'll drop precipitously. This implies churn is very high. It is true that training costs can be spread over customers though, so the analogy breaks down there, but I think it is a better mental model than the foundry one.
There's a difference between running inference and running a frontier model company.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/anthropic-lowers-pro...
With respect to Google, I'd also wonder about the economics of AI search vs traditional.
Right now much of the direct monetization occurs via OpenAI and Anthropic, who together have around $30B in annualized revenue. They are burning cash like crazy, though admittedly have potentially sustainable unit economics (gross margins around 40-60% before revenue share).
However, they need to spend a huge chunk of revenue on training. OpenAI spent something like $9b on training against around $13-14b in rev in 2025 (different from annualized rev) according to The Information. Anthropic's mix is supposed to be similar. Also implies a lot (maybe majority) of their compute spend is training.
If scaling laws falter, what happens to training spending? What happens to competitive degree of differentiation given Chinese open source models are a few months behind frontier? Then what happens to margins? It is very fragile.
https://github.blog/news-insights/octoverse/octoverse-a-new-...
I think with this info we can assess whether the wage is indeed competitive. Otherwise claiming "well they're getting paid" can be used to justify exploitative labor practices or negate the need for ethical inquiry.
Also calling psychological harm metaphysical is questionable. Is PTSD experienced by American troops coming back from deployment metaphysical? Not necessarily comparing these cases in degree.
I'm not sure what invoking neocolonialism adds to the discussion. Best to engage on a factual rather than ideological basis.
This article does a good job explaining https://metadataweekly.substack.com/p/ontologies-context-gra...
The question of lock-in is also a major one. Why tether your workflow automation platform to your LLM vendor when that may just be a component of the platform, especially when the pace of change in LLMs specifically is so rapid in almost every conceivable way. I think you'd far rather have an LLM-vendor neutral control plane and disaggregate the lock-in risk somewhat.
You can justify the value of any ridiculous invention by comparing it to a world-changing invention.
- Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings.
- Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have?
- Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar?
- If you have reminders for everything (responding to texts, buying gloves, whatever else is not important to you), don't you just push the problem of notification overload to reminder overload? Maybe you can get clawdbot to remind you to check your reminders. Better yet, summarize them.
why do people pay red hat/ibm for rhel? they earn pretty good margins too. to parent's point on software/=code