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www.loomio.org - a user friendly open source tool for collaborative decision making
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loomio··on Show HN: Simple translation by email
How would you say your service compares to Gengo.com? It seems you're a lot cheaper. Does that mean we could expect lower quality? What sort of QA do you have in place?
loomio··on Ask HN: What'd you do to get your first 100 users?
A lot of people have happily paid us money, which is awesome. But we've decided to transition to a true "gift economy" model now. In the next few weeks, we're launching a big crowdfunding campaign to fund development of Loomio 1.0, where we're taking the learnings from our first 10,000 users and creating a much more accessible, mobile responsive, intuitive tool. After crowdfunding, we're going to just be giving the basic software away for free and accepting donations instead of having a structured subscription model.

At the same time though, we've had massive pull from enterprise customers for consulting to go alongside the tool to help them do really good internal collaboration and culture change to a more distributed leadership model, as well as facilitate constituent and stakeholder collaboration. That's been a significant source of income for us.

Overall, the commitment to "pay what you can" has been core to our model and our values, and we're sticking with it, but we're experimenting with interpreting it in different ways. It's very important to us to both be independently financially sustainable, and to give our tool to groups doing great stuff in their communities regardless of their financial means.

loomio··on Ask HN: What'd you do to get your first 100 users?
Our first customer for our collaboration tool Loomio (htp://www.loomio.org) was the coworking space we were working in and the social enterprise hub that was based there.

We built a tool that was instantly useful to them, and in exchange we instantly had 100+ users. We released an extremely "M" MVP and had real users from day one. Because they were using it free and we were building features in response to their direct feedback, they were very understanding about it being a rough prototype. Two years later, they voluntarily opted to generously backpay us for use of the tool (we didn't even ask them to).

If you can get real users from very early on, even if your tool is rough, do it! It will help you build what's really useful to people, and involving early users in the design process actively means they are motivated to use the tool early and help you make it work as well as possible as quickly as possible.

loomio··on Drop the ego and prove "I could make that so much better"
That was what stuck out to me most of all, after initially actually thinking it was a pretty good idea. I was totally turned off as a woman, and it make me feel immediately that this service, whatever it was, wasn't targeted at me.
loomio··on Startup sales negotiations 101 – how to respond to discount inquiries
Just to make a point on the other side: We are a bootstrapping social enterprise startup and honestly have to penny pinch. When we were looking for the right CRM, both One Page CRM and Nimble offered us discounts when we wrote to them and asked politely.

We ended up sticking with Nimble due to the preferred workflows of the Sales team, but I still regularly recommend both products to lots of other people, some of whom have gone on to become paying customers for those services.

They are both great CRM tools, and because the people who run them were so understanding and provided great service by understanding our genuine need for a discount, I will be forever grateful and will recommend them. We've also mentioned both on social media.

So that's the flipside - if you do give discounts now and then to those who need it and are grateful, you'll earn a lot of loyalty. I think the answer is to be human about it. Listen to people, give them the benefit of the doubt, and decide things on a case by case basis.

loomio··on Why You Should Open-Source Your Startup
Thanks very much for the advice!
loomio··on Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?
This is fantastic! Congrats to Stack Overflow and here's to more languages in the future.

We were shocked and delighted when our international user community had massive enthusiasm for translating our app into different languages, and now it's live in Portuguese, Spanish, French, German, Hungarian, Romanian, Greek, Vietnamese, Bahasa Indonian, Dutch and several other languages, with more like Telegu, Malayalam, and Japanese in the pipeline. It's opened up whole worlds of users who otherwise wouldn't have ever had access to the tool.

As some other commenters have noted, there is definitely a social inclusion aspect to releasing in various languages - not everyone has the same access to education around the world. Furthermore, we'll have a much richer community and society if we open communication to everyone and don't expect everyone to learn English, which is a more or less arbitrary standard. We've also recently released a feature where you can translate comments in the app instantly, meaning people who speak different languages can communicate in the same conversation! It's so cool to see.

We've had a great time using Transifex and I can recommend it to any software project hoping to support a translation community. For us as an open source project, we have been very grateful that all our translation has been done by volunteers, and Transifex makes it really easy to coordinate with them. If any other projects are interested in how we manage translation on a technical level, we wrote a blog post about it [0] and will be publishing another, more in-depth one, shortly.

[0] http://blog.loomio.org/2013/10/01/translating-loomio-2/

loomio··on Why You Should Open-Source Your Startup
We have been open source from the start, but we actually find it really hard to find the time to support contributors to do more than small features and changes. If you have any advice about how to better integrate open source contributors without making it prohibitively time-expensive in terms of coordinating with the core dev team, I would love to hear it!

Even if we got contributors banging down the door tomorrow, I am not sure we could spare the people-hours to properly make use of them - catch 22! Right now most of our community contributions have come in the form of help translating the app (more than a dozen languages now!) which is great, but only one part of the puzzle.

This is our github: https://github.com/loomio/loomio - as you can see we have pretty basic documentation. What would be the most important information we'd need to help people be able to contribute more easily?

loomio··on Two big announcements
Totally depends what you're trying to accomplish. Basecamp can be great for managing a whole project in all its complexity. But often times that's overkill, and too many features get in the way.

We[0] differentiate by keeping it as simple as possible: have discussions and make decisions together, that's it.

Other tools are great for other types of projects, such as Trello[1] for a sort of collaborative to-do list.

[0] http://www.loomio.org [1] http://www.trello.com

loomio··on Facebook's Lookback
Great, photos of all my ex-boyfriends, in sequence, set to sentimental music. Just what I've always wanted.
loomio··on Loan Monitor Is Accused of Ruthless Tactics on Student Debt
Notice the common theme: people's financial lives get derailed by medical expenses. Yet another argument for healthcare reform.

In New Zealand (as in many other countries) we have a very reasonable system whereby you repay student loans as a small percentage of your income after graduation, taken out of your paychecks until they are fully repaid. If you're unemployed, you don't have to be making repayments. This means no one is under undue strain month to month and seems like a much more humane approach.

loomio··on “Vacations are for the weak”
I absolutely love work, and I've been bored out of my skull for the last week because everyone is on holiday over Christmas/New Years. I have organized my life so I am working on the most important and interesting problems I can find, with the best people, and we own the business together and no one is getting taken advantage of for the profit of others. In this scenario, there's pretty much nothing I'd rather be doing besides working.

At the same time, burnout is real. I tend to moderate myself on a daily basis, taking the time I need to get enough sleep, exercise, eat well, socialize, etc. Others follow a pattern of working too hard daily and then need whole weeks off to recover now and then. But looking at rest, whether daily or in chunks, as an investment in long term productivity, is the only thing that makes sense to me.

loomio··on Burn the Fucking System to the Ground
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. ― R Buckminster Fuller
loomio··on Lessons learned from my failed startup after 2 years, 300 users and 0 revenue
It's also useful to remember that until you have an actual product, the company really does not need a sales person, because there is nothing to sell. A startup does need a lot of things besides a developer, like customer development. But customer development is not the same as straight sales! I have seen some teams flame out because there's a sales person there with nothing to sell feeling useless, and the rest of the team feeling like they are dead weight, and meanwhile real priorities aren't getting dealt with.
loomio··on I flew on a plane without going through security. It was amazing and no one died
As an American living abroad, I still show up hours too early for flights. Old habits are hard to break! But seriously, it's just not like that in many other places round the world. Sure, we have security, but showing up more than an hour before your flight? I've been laughed at many times. Security theatre is a huge, huge waste of time and resources all around.
loomio··on A Short Story for Engineers
For me the lesson here isn't as much about engineering as incentives and inclusion. If you engage people who are actually on the front lines in solving the problems, great ideas will emerge. These are the people who understand the problems best, and can be most motivated to fix them.

But in order to do that you have to effectively align incentives for them to solve the problems. If companies treat employees as disposable automatons, and do not allow them to share in the success of the business or benefit from improving workflows, they have no motivation for doing so.

So many companies shoot themselves in the foot by bringing in "experts" when the real experts are right there on their payrolls, but no one is asking them their opinions or creating a situation where they would be inclined to give them anyway.

loomio··on Girls Who Code
I am so, so glad to see a much more high quality discussion (thanks in large part to lkrubner's insightful top comment) going on here today than the travesty that accompanied your post about Black Girls Code. The reactions that provoked made me feel sick. I guess the important think is your campaign is being supported and funded! But It's always a shock to see the dark side of this community revealed so starkly.
loomio··on Saving the Lost Art of Conversation
Just like in meatspace, conversation online is exactly what you make it. If you create online social spaces for yourself full of superficiality and narcissistic triviality, that is what you will experience.

Just like how whether your in person conversations are substantial or not depends completely on who you chose to associate with and how you chose to communicate with them. Surely the author and the psychologist have observed countless people blathering on in person about utterly trivial topics, or sharing the equivalent of "verbal selfies" with their self-centered monologues?

You can easily create deep, personal, high quality conversation online, but it takes conscious effort, just like in the rest of life. The same goes for whether your online usage is isolating, or serves to deepen your in-person connections - it's totally up to you.

loomio··on How to Escape the Community College Trap
Can't say anything about specific graduates, but overall statistics indicate that someone with a degree has about half the likelihood of being unemployed as someone without.

Some quick stats from Wikipedia:

> The average salary for college or university graduates is greater than $51,000, exceeding the national average of those without a high school diploma by more than $23,000, according to a 2005 study by the U.S. Census Bureau. The 2010 unemployment rate for high school graduates was 10.8%; the rate for college graduates was 4.9%

Of course, college is not a panacea for everyone, but having a degree significantly reduces your chances of unemployment and poverty in general.

In addition, education confers life benefits beyond simply employment, such as increased understanding of the world and critical thinking skills, writing ability, numeracy, etc.

loomio··on New Twist in International Relations: Corporate Keep-My-Data-Out-of-U.S. Clause
What will the alternative cloud solutions be? I assume that many will rush to fill the gap as clients vacate US providers, offering increased privacy as a specific selling point.

As a non-US startup, we're still using Heroku and AWS because we don't have the resources to make the jump to something more secure, even though we'd really like to. As soon as an accessible alternative appears we'd switch in a heartbeat.

loomio··on Unicorn Jobs
Or become a mentor at an incubator/accelerator?
loomio··on Unicorn Jobs
For those of us whose "core dream" is exactly the kind of logistical problem solving and organizational coordination the author describes as "overhead", starting your own company is a unicorn job. Feeling lucky, I suppose :)
loomio··on Who posts on Hacker News?
I am shocked, and yet somehow not surprised, that there are exactly no women on the list. Sigh. I love the comments posted here.... just imagine the insightful commentary we'd all be benefiting from if half the population wasn't excluded! Hope to see this changing in the future. Thanks for your work putting this together.
loomio··on Who posts on Hacker News?
There are certainly not "no women" - even if there are few. I think your comment about women being more likely to stay anonymous is spot on.
loomio··on The Agile Labour Union
This quote summed it up for me:

> Agile processes are optimised for constructing technical systems conceived and built by programmers, but poorly suited to building socio-technical systems that seek an integration between humans and technology—a model that requires software engineers to embrace a wider range of disciplines and skills as equals, and adopt a more comprehensive vision of what it means to successfully build software. Failing to make this transition is very likely a death sentence for the Agile movement.

loomio··on Why am I here?
So glad to hear you're feeling at peace in NZ, Derek. I know many people who are quietly excited you've chosen this far flung island to call home and know that you are a fantastic addition to the community no matter what you chose to do. I know you've been inwardly focused lately, but whenever you're ready, there's a great community waiting to welcome you with open arms at Enspiral (including Loomio of course).
loomio··on Introducing Open Salaries at Buffer
There is so, so much more to this story that I don't even know where to begin. People "asking for what they want" takes on completely different contexts depending on their situation, background, gender. The system you are advocating will always pay more to the privileged, encourage a competitive, low-trust culture, and disadvantage many skilled people for reasons out of their control. Ultimately, it's the company that will miss out on the best talent.
loomio··on America is separating into peasants and scholar-gentry
Surely inventing new technology to disrupt markets requires a deep understanding of those markets, and the social fabric they are woven in? Surely software is made by people, and understanding people is key to understanding the process of making software? It's not an accident that the greatest inventors were renaissance men and women, with broad and deep understanding across many areas.
loomio··on Non-Creepy Networking: Party Etiquette
Interesting points... I think there may be many differences here based on things like gender, age, and subculture. I think it's highly context-dependent. The advice she gave was actually pretty spot-on for a young woman networking in a social, informal party situation. Not so much for older people, more formal business contexts, or perhaps for men.

But at the same time, much of the networking advice out there is biased toward the stereotypical middle aged man in a suit at a business function, so I found it refreshing to see a context I find myself in a lot more often discussed in this article.

I guess the real trick to good networking is being able to correctly read the subtleties of social contexts and adjust accordingly - harder to encapsulate in a blog post unfortunately!

loomio··on Tear It Down
This was seriously inspiring. Thank you for posting it.

We are running a completely flat organisation, but with the full awareness that just saying there's no bosses in no way removes the power dynamics from human interaction. Breaking down power hierarchies and reconcieving leadership in the way Rand eloquently describes here requires constant conscious effort and innovation in information flows, communication, delegation, and decision-making.

Through practice, we've come to the very same conclusion that the fallacy at work in traditional hierarchical organisations that fail by many humanistic measures (happiness, creativity, autonomy) is not that management and leadership are important - they absolutely are - but that the people who perform those functions should be placed higher on some sort of pyramid and paid more, and that the work of management should be necessarily embodied in specific people as opposed to a function that can be spread amongst many, according to their specific abilities and capacity.

We're still working out the specific mechanics and processes, but we're making headway. It's great to see others thought leading in this space.

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