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Building Lenz (lenz.io) — LLM evaluation for real-world fact-checks. kosta@lenz.io
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kostaj··on Show HN: Research on LLM Disagreement on Factual Claims
I'm Kosta, co-author of the research and founder of Lenz. Our goal is to assess to what extent the frontier LLMs are interchangeable as verifiers of factual claims. In this revision v1.1 of the research: improved methodology, latest frontier models (incl. Fable and Sol), added confidence analysis, public code.

Key findings (on a five-point True-False scale): on 63% of the claims at least one model dissents from the panel majority (or no majority at all); on 23%, the differences are significant, while the models are highly confident almost everywhere.

kostaj··on Lenz – A fact-checking API for AI-generated content
Yes, you can check out Lenz without the API here: https://lenz.io/verify

Also examples of claims other people have verified with Lenz: https://lenz.io/library

kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Some models struggle combining JSON schema and web search capabilities.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Good point. Will publish in the next version also the results with a prompt that allows the models to "think out loud" before providing the final verdict.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Awesome. We do plan to human-label the 1,000 claims and then compare Lenz' performance vs the 5 models. We've done some limited internal research with 150 claims, but more are needed for statistical significance.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Agree that some of the claims are forward-looking. The messiness of the real-world and real-user fact checks. No ground-truth verdicts are provided or used in the study though. It only measures the level of agreement between the selected models, not which one is right on which claim. I.e. none of the claims is actually labelled.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Good idea about publishing intra-model variance data! Will include in the next version. Even if we put aside the two middle buckets (Mostly True and Misleading), that are somewhat subject to interpretation and hedging: On 21% of the claims still at least two models provide polar-opposite verdicts (one model saying True, and another saying False)
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Good point. Processing the substance of the answer might be too labor-consuming (1,000 claims x 5 models), but "thinking out loud" might improve the quality of the answers indeed. And we can still force/ask them to respond with a clear verdict at the end of their reasoning, as per the chosen rubric.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
This is in line with my observations and tests as well. Also supported by the distribution of the verdicts across the 4-buckets -- Gemini uses the middle buckets (Mostly True and Misleading) much less often - 6% combined for Gemini w/o search. And Opus uses them the most - 45% combined. Looks like Gemini is calibrated to be confident and Opus to be careful.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Indeed. For algorithms and coding, my personal routine nowadays is to review every detailed plan with Opus 4.7 and GPT-5.5. They tend to find very different type of gaps.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Agree that True and Mostly True might be very close and could be a calibration difference. Misleading and False, as well. A better headline number might be the 34% claims with substantial or polar-opposite verdicts.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Agree. Human experts also struggle agreeing on this type of claims. The inter-annotator agreement on the verdicts on the AVeriTeC corpus across 50 organizations is κ=0.619 - substantial but well short of perfect.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Agree with @pjdesno, that the 34% substantive or polar disagreement might be a better headline number. Or even the 21% polar disagreement (at least one model True, and at least one model False), which is still high for many real-world applications.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
That's a valid point. During the preliminary research, we did try also more explicit prompts (with explanation for each of the 4 buckets), as well as a five-bucket rubric (with Abstain option). Will show in a follow-up paper how the concise vs explicit prompt impacts the distribution of the verdicts and the level of disagreement. One issue to note with the longer prompts is that they open to much room for discussion around the exact prompt used. Probably we should preregister the prompt before running any further tests.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Quick note on the second effect - how LLMs reduce that to a four-category judgment: On 21% of the claims at least two models provide polar-opposite verdicts (at least one model False, and at least one model True). This might be a better measurement of the strict disagreement than the 67% disagreement on the four-bucket rubric.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Agree about comparing models with and without search capabilities. Even the two models with search capabilities (Sonar Pro and Gemini) agree only on 58% of the claims.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Will add a human-labelled expected response and measure against it in a follow up research. This one only captures the disagreement between the models, but not which model is write/wrong.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
The reason for the "No explanations, no qualifiers" in the prompt was to force the models to put the claim in one of the four buckets and answer with the bucket name only. It's a pure quantitive analysis (first in a series) and it does indeed lack the qualitative aspect.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
@john_strinlai @gcr, depends on the application. In many cases an "I don't know" answer is indeed better than a forced answer. But in many production systems, LLMs generate content/response anyway.

Although inheriting the messiness of the real-world, the majority of these claims are objective enough to be classifiable by human experts with access to research. Plan to human-label the 1,000 claims and publish a follow-up research. Will consider adding an "I don't know" bucket too, as well as a clear instructions about the meaning of each of the 4 buckets.

kostaj··on Disagreement Among Frontier LLMs on Real-World Fact-Checks
Search was enabled for 2 of the 5 models -- Gemini and Sonar Pro. The disagreement between them is still high - different verdict on 42% of the claims. Fully agree, that some of those claims are hard to classify for a human as well -- the real-world messiness...
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Two of the five models used (Gemini+Search and Sonar Pro) have retrieval capabilities and used search when classifying the claims. The disagreement between them is still quite significant - 42%.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Indeed. I prompted each model ones, plus one retry on errors. Very good point to measure the inter-model disagreement! Will add in the next version.

Section "4.2 Agreement w/ peer majority" shows the level of agreement of each model with the majority.

Yes, planning of human-labelling the same corpus of 1,000 claims and publishing a second study measuring the models performance against the human-labels on corpus that the models have not seen during training.

kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
GPT-5.4 and Opus 4.7, specifically, agree between themselves on 65% of the claims - 95% CI 62–68%. I.e., in at least 35% of the claims, one of the two models is wrong under this 4-bucket rubric.
kostaj··on Disagreement among frontier LLMs on real-world fact-checks
Tried initially with a fifth bucket, Abstain. It was actually heavily used by some of the models. But it felt as if they are using this to "avoid" some of the hard questions, and we dropped this bucket to force them to provide a verdict.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Yes, inter-human-annotator disagreement is also high on similar type of questions (AVeriTeC) - inter-panel agreement: κ=0.619. Tried giving the models a fifth option, Abstain, but some models seem to use it to "avoid answering hard questions" more than others.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
This paper covers only the disagreement between models and established only the floor of the error, based on the disagreement, but not which model is better. Planning to follow up with another study to benchmark against human-labelled verdicts still using a corpus that the models have not seen during training.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Two of the models used have retrieval capabilities and can access newer information via search. Valid point for the other 3 models. All of the claims were submitted after February 15, 2026, but many of them were not time-sensitive (e.g. did not cover events than happened recently).
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Btw, sometimes that do that too -- all agree on the wrong answer.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
:) No Lenz data is included in the research on purpose. All information to replicate the results, including the claims data, is published.
kostaj··on Five frontier LLMs disagree on 67% of 1k real-world fact-check claims
Indeed. Real-world claims are somewhat messy. Some of the standard benchmarks, e.g. the questions in AVeriTeC, share similar characteristics.
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