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We attribute to wikipedia in general which is inline with their TOS. Did we miss a place? We say when needed "Text adapted from the Wikipedia page "Product Hunt": https://en.wikipedia.orghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Produc...
FYI as well the copyright doesn't apply to the actual fact only the text and we give attribution as per their TOS in those cases.
To the cynical self: see dropbox launch on HN back in the day. PS I’m no way claiming we are dropbox :>
To the angry self: There are various constraints that we want to release ourselves from in working on this problem by starting fresh. We believe the constraint space is too high to not build something new here. There are things that can be reused to build on what has been done already (linking out to WP, WP linking back to us when appropriate, the name space being similar/forked, various policies being built on/forked or rewritten, lessons learnt, content summarization with AI, fact cross checking etc).
To the academic self: we want to cover 10bn+ topics, google knowledge graph is around 3bn+ entities. We are not attempting to map all lamp posts in san francisco which would make a useful data set for a self driving car company but we do want to map all businesses, concepts, science topics, people of interest, species, products, services, etc etc. Instead of notability, we are aiming more at a validation model ie ‘does this entity exist’. There is also a difference between ‘article’ of WP and ‘entity’ of Golden for our model. So I believe there is space for positive coexistence between Golden and WP. We will still want discussion around the validation and ‘what next after 10bn entities are done’ debate.
In terms of the morality part, we wish to be at a more open standard than WP. The trade being for the common user: we open up all the pages on CC-4.0-BY-SA, go hopefully 1000x more entity cardinality, open source useful queries in exchange for less work per topic than alternatives (due to the leverage of the automation on alternatives). So I think we are on strong moral ground here, otherwise I would not work on it. We also have paid helpers as well to fill in gaps on our side to increase content and using part of our revenue to increase content at an ever faster speed. We reviewed the micropayments model and we don’t think it will work (see lunyr failure and others on that front).
In terms of numbers of contributors we believe Golden is at the stage where 1 hour editing on Golden produces more content/data than alternatives and the friction to edit is much lower. Are you looking for more depth on comparisons beyond the blog post?
There is also risk factor to a donations model for WP and to not having enough revenue to invest in the tools needed to go 1000x on the topics + other features that are important to build. If it means anything, I worked on my last co (Heyzap) for 9 years and its still running today. I can see the worry but there are many options on creating backups and dumps to the text, so we are agreement that more knowledge is better and thanks for the support.
The decision for VC includes the following reasons:
1. Making this happen at scale / quicker.
2. Having people like Marc from a16z, FF and Gigafund adding valuable insight in order to pull this off.
3. Derisking the mission with $$$
1. High visual transparency and open edit logs eg golden.com/wiki/Morphogenetic_Engineering/activity
2. Using real profiles so we can prevent bots / multi accounts etc.
3. Cross checking SPO/fact triples in the prose against our structured data to validate information.
4. Cross checking against multiple sources
5. Using high resolution citations where we actually highlight the claim (please test our highlighting of a claim and citation tool to see this in action).
6. Having source trust ranked citation URLs.
7. Opening up primary sources eg articles of incorporation as evidence for claims.
8. Having a strong audit log of where information comes from.
9. Using a github style ‘issues’ rather than wiki talk in order to discuss content issues.
10. Giving UI affordances to argue out points and give evidence to claims made in these arguments.
We are still working on this UI / AI and general community to really dig into this core challenge.
We have set out to:
1. Cover all topics that exist over time rather than just notable topics.
2. Go into greater depth around a topic, from its timeline to videos and other useful resources surrounding the topic (eg learning videos, further reading, blog posts, Q&A, podcasts etc).
3. Support a larger population of people trying to learn about topics.
4. Make knowledge more accessible, richer and fun to read about.
5. Allow you to track topics of interest and be updated when new information is available on the subject.
6. Save time making the knowledge in the first place by using design, UI and AI to aid construction of the information. Especially by automating repetitive tasks and bring smart editor features.
Initially we have kicked off with various areas from cell and plant based meat to synthetic biology to cryptocurrency consensus mechanisms to artificial intelligence, microbiome, stem cell technology and startup topics. We expect these areas to increase in scope over time covering space, medical food, clean technology, robotics and many more exciting fields.
We are still early on our journey to delivering our vision and very much looking forward to product feedback and help with building up the content. Our team is hard at work making the product easier to use, we are up for taking every flow to its simplest form and removing every bug. If there is a feature you have been dying for on Wikipedia but could not get it, please also let us know. We look forward to seeing you in our community and covering topics especially under represented elsewhere.
Also interesting ->
Infinite grid of capacitors (tends to 0 at infinity):
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0905.0054.pdf
Infinite sphere resistance (tends to infinity):
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/48439/resistance-...
This also happened on the US/CA border to me - the official told me I had the wrong visa to which I responded I had the correct visa. We went round 15 times in a row back and forth, with me stating it was the correct visa until he gave up and let me go.
A close friend of mine also had a gun put on the table to intimidate him in a secondary screening when coming from the UK to the US.
So much for wanting to be an "immigration magnet" like the Google hangout tomorrow with the CTO of the US.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/08/21/we-immigrant-geeks...