johnb

although, to go back to high fidelity - the big discovery is that it's not what you like, but what you're like that makes a relationship workable

I found that ASP.NET was a good stop off point between writing desktop apps and writing web apps. All the event handling logic and the postback thing meant I could bring most of my desktop thinking across and be productive immediately. The problem I had was once I had been working on the web a while I realised the abstractions were broken but the framework didn't leave me anywhere to go.

I just went and built something with it - http://alltimetop5.com I'm shocking at busy work for no good reason so I had to wait until a good enough idea came along to motivate me. The first version I just threw out, there were too many artefacts left from me stumbling wildly around.

I think that might be the point where you can call yourself proficient at ror, when you finally get how ugly the first code you wrote was :)