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The boomers lived through an age of unprecedented abundance, when that dries up, innovation out of necessity will trump any ideology

Good luck getting the nickel and cobalt for a million acres of solar panels and batteries

I certainly hope so. Maybe we can now move boldly forward into a nuclear future since the Boomers got cold feet about it

It is worse that coal

I focus on myself and my achievements, health, family, friends, etc and realize that it's impossible to make an accurate mental model of 'the world of the future'

Downvoted because 16th century Britain was anything but a Meritocracy, and throwing around cliches about demographics and history lowers the value of a discussion

I always wonder if the implicit telos of modern science is space colonization (leave this planet behind), and what the ramifications of that mindset is. Is this a dogma that can be challenged?

We've still barely scratched the surface of ecological sciences

and is the keyword. These studies are not controlling for only high quality red meat in the diet. Eating anything processed is going to confound the data in the study, as opposed to something like a hunter-gatherer diet in which most of the calories come from hunted red meat. Those cultures don't get cancer

The user consents to using a product, but not being born into a particular location

"Red meat" and "processed meat" are fundamentally 2 different things, and it is disingenuous to equate them in any scientific study.

Human bodies are evolutionarily maladapted to sitting at a desk all day

Not as long as the science and statistics is junk. Some people actually still believe that meat causes cancer based on a study that didn't even control for highly processed meats, equating a slice of baloney with a grassfed filet

Do you want the plane designed by a brilliant engineer or 100 people who are really good at memorizing engineering questions?

They could have towed a diesel generator and used it for charging.

This doesn't provide any data on the livability of those homes. Homes that have sat vacant for years would needs tens of thousands of dollars to be habitable, or impossible to bring up to modern code

I don't want to pile on to all the other replies, but I think your mental model of rural life is several decades out of date

"Do you really need to do X when you could easily do A,B,C and get Y?"

Sometimes things are just fun, interesting, and cool

I don't know how many HN deal with the construction trade, but electric trucks are going to be game-changers for tradesmen, plumbers, electricians, etc. Most hand tools are battery-powered now and being able to charge them on an unpowered job site without hauling a generator is a huge time and space saver

Seasonal eating of farm-fresh foods would certainly make free public healthcare a more reasonable proposal in the US. It would surely cut into the bottom line of the pharma industry

Smaller and simpler was the comment.

The current option is to use industrial farming technology until the raw inputs run out or become cost-prohibitive. Or until tillage soil for field crops becomes nutrient-depleted and barren.

Also, the comment was about using intellectual capital to work on the Markets problem of agriculture, not the act of farming itself

A sure-fire indicator that someone exists in a purely urban mental-model of reality

I don't blame the individual IT staff or engineers for being foot soldiers of corporate mandate.

I do blame the mindset of 'every problem can be solved with enough data'

What in tarnation are you rambling about?

How much arable land does livestock take up?

Thank you for the helpful sarcasm.

Yes, I am implying farmers markets. There is not currently an effective way for these small farms to network their production in aggregate to sell at a level commensurate to an industrial farm. This is the reason big ag can sell for cheaper.

If farmers markets could achieve cost-parity with big grocery (by competing at-scale) then distributed small-scale farming could contribute to solving many issues in climate, environment, nutrition, etc

Perhaps these issues cannot be solved from a desk and computer.

HN might bristle at the idea the Farmer Joe has a more sophisticated mental model of an extremely complex and multivariate system (a field of corn or soy) which evades reduction to a dataset.

The solutions I've seen on this board is typically "well let's reduce the variables and grow lettuce in warehouses!" Or trying to build a robot that can pick strawberries. Neither of these solves food scarcity issues.

If people reading this wanted to pursue a meaningful solution via data, my advise is to look at the scaling of the farm-to-consumer market, and how to enable larger distributed networks of small independent farms to sell to customers. The food supply will be more resilient when farming gets smaller, simpler, and more distributed

It conflating data with knowledge. "Because I deal with X industry data, I understand X industry"

Alternatively, I would argue that much harm has been done to agriculture by the 'information' sector in general. Commoditizing and industrializing food production (a reduction to data and numbers) has caused most of the issues collectively known as the 'modern American diet'

Threads like these reminds me that HN is an overwhelmingly urban community with almost zero exposure to the agriculture sector

Comments TLDR: "Yes, and it's the other side's fault"