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I don’t think this means we’re in a dystopia

I think they just mean that the fat that they can do it this way says a lot about the os. No need to get into the weeds on exactly how to install hyprland. It was an example.

People who get bogged down by the details of examples/analogies are usually missing the point of why people use examples/analogies.

The biggest point everyone keeps missing is that a single code review makes your vibe coded code go from “terrifyingly dangerous” to “better than most people’s code” in one step.

We’re at a point where LLMs write great code, way better than my average coworkers used to anyway. Of course, not reviewing said code by an expert would be a silly as not reviewing a coworkers code, there might be security vulnerabilities in there, hardcoded api keys, etc. But once it’s been professionally reviewed, it’s just as safe as any code written by a human only probably if a higher quality than most people write.

On HN there’s an argument I keep seeing go back and forth which is like “vibe coding is the worst thing ever” and the other side will be like “AI is the second coming of christ and we don’t need programmers” - I think the reason we have what appears to be such opposing views is that those views are actually really close to one another, and proper review is all that separates one from the other.

If you’re already an expert and you don’t vibe code most things and then carefully test and review after, you’re wasting the benefits of these machines. If you’re not an expert then you shouldn’t be employed in the first place, as the main thing people are employed for is responsibility, not output.

This has always been the way in everything. A foreperson gets paid more than a worker on a building site not because they build more than the worker, but because they’re responsible for more than the worker. This is the real reason why programmer jobs won’t go away in my opinion.

lol, right?

You don’t have to convince me of that, I’m feeling quite secure in my job for the minute. I’m just aware that we may look at the actual code less and less as confidence in it grows or outpaces confidence you’d have in a an equivalent human reviewer. There’ll always be jobs in handling the riff raff of the machines at some level of abstraction.

That’s a little out of scope of my comment but yes, that’s another worry.

I just meant to have a similar level of confidence in the code as if it was checked by an also fallible human. Not a long reaching philosophical point.

Thank you for this, had no idea this was a thing

I use Brave with an adblocker on my iphone

Not sure it’s great to start this with jd Vance…

Yes? Why would I go over to my computer and boot it up and sit down and type in a website when I could just pull my phone out tap tap done?

Do you need it, or do you just feel more comfortable with it?

An AI’s ability to meaningfully write software autonomously has changed hugely even in the last 6 months. They might still require a human in the loop, but for how long?

Youtube videos are always a poor quality source - the UN doesn’t accept China’s numbers exactly but they believe the total number is broadly correct due to cross referenced data, and expert independent demographers largely agree. The figure of 1.4 billion is likely within the ballpark and the idea that this is off by hundreds of millions is considered a fairly fringe theory, almost a conspiracy theory.

It’s pretty rare that you actively cant, but it makes sense a lot of businesses wouldn’t bother to try and assist you with doing that. But some definitely don’t want you to, and I get that that’s sad. Always makes space for a competitor though!

Isn’t there a similar issue with pianos?

Very cool!

Agreed, it’s Unix like, homebrew is great, it’s like GP forgot about windows

Preaching to the choir mate. I’m just being realistic.

It’ll get bigger for a bit for sure, but it’ll never be mainstream until they change some fundamental things about how they operate.

Piss off mate, what I said obviously wasn’t snarky and wasn’t meant that way. What you’re doing is targeted attacks, so take up your own rules with yourself.

Don’t be stupid, it doesn’t mean you should spin off of an unrelated rant under someone’s comment.

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There’s a huge amount of wishful thinking in this that people will care, and the Lenovo thing is just false.

The “point” is very far in the past though. My 2016 ipad still working great for anything online.

Sure they do buddy.

Good for you? You’re just talking about vibes. Vibes are a baseless thing to go on.

Very specific complaint that has nothing to do with the amount of ram you have, that’s a software choice in iOS. Kinda a tangent for a top comment.

Well now you’re being obtuse buddy

Ehh, maybe a little. I don’t think the bottle neck has been prised open all that much yet in those areas