isaachinman

Not quite sure what you're asking for. Are you asking for a GUI/cli, or something else?

I've built exactly what you're describing, but for the sake of a b2c product.

Using CONDSTORE without an IDLE fallback rules out a lot of major providers.

One of many reasons that drove me to create what Apple Mail _should_ have been ten years ago:

https://marcoapp.io

Problem with vitest is that there's no first class caching if I recall correctly

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

Perhaps give us a look:

https://marcoapp.io

Search is single-digit ms!

Correct

Thunderbird is an all-time legend.

Curious, which particular ones have you tried and hated?

We built a cross-platform offline-first IMAP client:

https://marcoapp.io

Search is single-digit ms. All metadata stored on the client.

I built this over the course of a year, literally driven by my frustration with Apple Mail. Maybe give it a try!

Edit: Also, extremely brave of you to upgrade to Tahoe. No chance for me

Well, Gmail/Fastmail/etc have their own clients/products.

Are you happy with Apple/iOS Mail? Drives me absolutely insane.

Curious – for those self-hosting, what email _clients_ do you actually use on desktop/mobile?

We fixed this at Marco, FYI.

https://marcoapp.io

Yes, it's been over a year of extremely hard work but we're nearly there!

Also ran into serious issues with Apple Mail, and started building a new product:

https://marcoapp.io

Yes indeed. Brilliant monitor.

We're currently in alpha, and starting closed-beta this month. Hoping to achieve GA in the next couple months.

Some notable companies using Replicache are Vercel and Productlane. It's a very mature product.

The Rocicorp team have decided to focus on a different product, Zero, which is far less "offline-first" in that it does not sync all data, but rather syncs data based on queries. This works well for applications that have unbounded amounts of data (ie something like Instagram), but is _not_ what we want or need at Marco.

Fair enough, not needing CRDTs makes life a lot easier!

And by the way, we didn't opt for an in-house IndexedDB solution because we have targets in which IndexedDB does not exist (mobile, desktop).

How do you handle offline-first in your mobile apps? Are your mobile apps webviews?

It really depends on the browser. There's a good breakdown here:

https://rxdb.info/articles/indexeddb-max-storage-limit.html

Sure, that works if you only operate in environments where IndexedDB is available.

On mobile and desktop, IndexedDB does not exist, and SQLite is available first-class.

Yeah, I spent quite some time researching nearly all indexing options. Orama is in a different league (although it does have some warts).

We have hundreds of thousands of entities in Replicache, and index them via Orama. We're able to perform full-text search in single-digit ms.

We persist the Orama index as JSON, so computation only happens once per mutation.

You are indeed quite rude, but I'll give you an answer.

The selling point is that it's IMAP primitive, as the blog post mentions.

Thunderbird is nice, but it's not cross-platform. Superhuman and Notion Mail are nice, but they only support Google and Outlook.

Apple Mail is truly awful.

There's a gap in the market, and as I said we're building it for ourselves.

No sales pitch at all. USPs are on our homepage. If it doesn't appeal to you I get it. Different people have different needs.

There's been a massive influx of "new gen" email clients in the past year or so.

That said, we're not an "AI product".

Saw that Fastmail released offline support recently, nice work!

Do you not have any need for CRDT?

...Exactly?

Replicache certainly fits the bill!

Actually, the complete opposite. We're building this app because we need it ourselves.

Turns out a lot of other people do too.

Our dbs range from hundreds of MB to gigabytes.

This is discussed in the blog post. A lot of offline-first tools fall apart at this scale.