They're starting to, I've seen quite a few
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At the very base this is mostly true but it's like saying the reason people die is because they stop living. Framing it as people behaving "in this self-destructive way" also isn't helpful because being obese isn't a moral failing.
The true answer is more complex. At least in the US, consumers have been fighting deceptive marketing/branding for things that have been claimed to be healthy choices but are full of sugar and unrealistic serving sizes. Combine that with unhealthy foods generally being cheaper and/or easier to cook and now more accessible/easier healthy eating also has class issues. Exercise does too as most of the places where obesity is most concentrated in the US (the Southeast) doesn't have walkable cities or sidewalks at all.
This has been a common comment left on HN of "it's just move more, eat less" and yeah, at a fundamental level, sure, but really doesn't take into account how difficult it can be for a person that's in that situation.
Meat is expensive and fresh and frozen vegetables aren't particularly cheap, leading some households, particularly families and lower income, to pick items like rice, potatoes, noodles etc which are cheap and can go farther. They're calorically dense but not filling so it's easy to consume a ton of calories to feel full from eating rice and butter or butter noodles.
There's also the education aspect as one might not know or be able to eyeball what 250g of cooked rice looks like and serving sizes (at least in the US) can be deceptive. Until recently, there wasn't a sticker on 20oz soft drinks that contained the nutrition facts of the whole bottle.
Also, while push ups might be free, walking and running isn't. There's a ton of places in the US with sidewalks in poor condition if there's any sidewalk at all. Pedestrian deaths are way up recently as well so walking/running on the road isn't completely safe
Sure there will be some that have problems "self inflicted from their own gluttony", but you're making this out like it's the case for everyone using Ozempic while also attributing obesity 1-to-1 with choosing to be overindulgent. You could do with a little more compassion as it's not as simple as you're trying to make it.
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The worst thing that's every happened to someone is still the worst thing that's ever happened to them. Though it might not be something like mental/physical abuse, it's still their bottom even if it pales in comparison to someone else's. Also, lots of families have secrets and can portray a healthy image when in reality we generally see people at their "best" in social settings. I think the key here is self-awareness without diminishment, which can be difficult.
Also, at least with my algorithms, there is just so much bombardment from social media about things like trauma, mental illness, and neurodivergence where one can get lost in what they're being presented and be convinced that just because they read the dictionary for fun when they were younger that they're neurodivergent instead of possibly just being a curious child. If one is in a vulnerable state or just worn down from seeing all this, it almost incites a FOMO response of "hey, I was traumatized too!"
I do think that normalizing and acting to remove the stigma from discussing these things is a net positive overall but it can be damaging for sure
If they're craving content and don't want to spend the time going to distinct sites, they're likely not going to all of a sudden pick up a new hobby. I hope I'm wrong.
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Pelotons now are about $1500 and the membership is $50 a month. After a calendar year, that's $2100 total spent. At the spin studio here (in a relatively LCOL area), the classes are $22 each with their best deal being unlimited rides at $195/month for a six month contract. Two of those contracts is $2,340 in a calendar year. After the first year, it's more cost effective to have a Peloton and the membership
Value is in the eye of the consumer for sure. It's true that all of this likely overpriced but that's the market
Duly noted!