iamdave

Wonder if this is an entirely new phenomenon, or if with Trump we just got some new, and easy to prescribe nomenclature for this phenomenon you describe.

Edit: is there something objectionable about what either myself or the person I replied to said, if so I welcome a discussion on it. There's a LOT of downvote activity happening in this thread over completely reasonable arguments that are worth discussing here.

"Facebook themselves are a bad actor" is the comment that jiggled the mind-cabinet enough for that spice bottle to fall off the rack and into full view.

That's the head space I'm in when I ask this question. So with that Caveat Lector out of the way:

Am I out of line in thinking Facebook kind of opened the doors for this by aggressively "graphing" social connections and going full speed at turning relationships into algorithms and then giving everyone and their mama the tools to sculpt all of this data however they please? And that they're probably getting off way too easy?

Last night I said to a friend with much sincerity: I miss the days of MySpace and LiveJournal where I could collect all of my friends into one online space, my own little corner of the internet and interact with them on my terms. No nudges to participate in a post, no prompts to go look at what someone else is doing, no suggestions I go buy what my friend just bought and shared simply because "it's my friend". It existed, we were there, and we didn't need MySpace's help to interact with each other. Of course, that was a different Internet where everyone wasn't trying to analyze and monetize your every click and keystroke.

Just kind of thinking out loud. But curious what others think.

This is a problem across the entire tech industry. When it comes to staff and employees who don't have three letters following their name, one of them the letter "C", there's the engineers who make six figures, and then there's everybody else.

And at the end of the day, this is why IMO you shouldn't have to justify your pricing to anyone who isn't already a-or ready to commit to becoming a paying customer. It's their feedback that ultimately matters to your ability to pay rent and keep this service going.

Keep doing what you're doing-as a part-time community manager who operates in the Crypto space (a community that has almost thoroughly and entirely embraced Telegram), this kind of product I can forsee will go a great way towards creating community/customer support portals for developers and enthusiasts of coin n.

An engineer I once worked with used to joke that the best way to fix flash was to uninstall flash.

I wonder if this precedent holds for avoiding LinkedIn spam by just avoiding LinkedIn.

(Spoiler alert: it works marvels, YMMV)

I feel like we have lots more of those than you may be giving the industry credit for-or taken at face value, at least.

I really hope this is just autocorrect getting hilariously overzealous, heh.

S/he is not the one asking for help. He is the one being asked for help. Their attention and focus is the one being interrupted (or at least that's what their first comment said, that they receive numerous requests from help from someone who sits directly behind them via chat). And on that note, I actually find myself taking his or her side on this. They are being asked for help by someone who sits close enough away that they can quickly provide an answer verbally and return to their chores/duties.

That seems more efficient than hammering at the keyboard given the recipient can very likely hear the sound of one's voice with the response to the inquiry for assistance.

Why are so many comments to this problem being presented as if this person is the one who needs their behavior rectified, when they are not the source of the interruption, but the recipient of?

Yeah probably this. The number of people who I observe walking away from their machines without locking the desktop on a daily basis is terrifying from a security standpoint.

dvtrn have I misunderstood your posts? Sorry to put words in your mouth if I have.

This isn't asking antagonistically, it's a legitimate ask, so I hope you'll understand my tone isn't one of aggression:

How am I over thinking it? The proposed idea is to require leaders sit with their constituents. Leaders are the ones choosing these horrible open office layouts. How do you make them do something that in many cases, as many folks are replying in this thread to the effect of-they do not want to do?

Do you appeal to the board of directors? What does that look like? When one says "this should be required", my immediate thought is, okay how do you implement it, and how do you actually enforce it?

And that's what I'm asking here. I don't think I'm overthinking it, but thinking exactly the question that will need to be answered if that suggestion is to take root anywhere. How do you require the leaders of your company to do something they might not want to do?

It should be required that whoever makes these decisions should have to dogfood them.

By what mechanism would this occur? I've spent enough time in the military to know human ego will never allow this to happen, it's like asking the fox to put a lock on the hen house, and turn the keys over to the farmer. Outside of exceptional leaders like the ones where lykr0n works-that actually want to be and behave like leaders-very rarely will you see command subjecting themselves to the shit endured by the commanded.

You know that one quote from Upton Sinclair? "It is difficult to get someone to understand something whose salary depends on them not understanding it"?

Fits this issue like a glove.

That's because 99 times out 100, those decision makers don't subject themselves to the open office. They always get their own quiet nook of the workspace with a door while the workforce gets the joy of learning how noise-cancelling headphones work (or, on the flip side: learn that their favorite brand of headphones aren't doing the job).

As an Army veteran (who doesn't really like announcing himself as such when doesn't add to the discussion), quite well aware. I do-however make light-hearted jokes about Crayons from time-to-time ;) It's a fun sibling rivalry we have, the Army and the Corps.

(Yes it's a joke but sometimes I overthink things, heh)

My $0.02.

Good question

Sure, but do these mooc/online courseware platforms teach one how to apply these new tangential skills and translate them into CV language and personal development actions that will get them hired? Especially if one is not already mentally inclined to join a 21st century workforce?

I'm asking this coming from the perspective of someone born in rural South Carolina (in a portion of the United States known as 'The Bible Belt') who is an entirely self-taught programmer, versed in a couple of languages-and realized I had to go to an entirely different part of the world to even make use of what I had learned. So my mind is going out to those people who don't live in dense urban areas and are maybe looking for a relatively 'future-proof' job that may as well be asking the to learn an alien language.

It was only by circumstance alone that I got exposed to the kind of entrepreneurial thinking needed for me to realize early on: I'm not gonna do jack shit with these computer skills, there's no market here, I live in a town that used to be a booming textile center and is now an economically depressed shithole (I say that lovingly, it's my economically depressed shithole), and has been for the last 30 years-forcing me to pack up and leave.

Do you think a substantial number of people who have internet have the same circumstances I did to know "I have this skill now, thanks to an online course, and now I need to follow up on it by making this sacrifice to put myself in a position where these new skills will get me hired. I need to be having these discussions with recruiters and hiring mangers, and doing these things to stand out"? Or even have the resources to pack up and plant their butt in a different part of the country?

Personally, I don't know if all of these code camps and online training programs do more than say "Here's a wrench, here's how to use it, good luck with your future as a wrench turner".

Can anyone speak to career development as an extension of this wealth of online knowledge? I just have hesitations of what utility these programs offer beyond here's how to do x with n.

It just looked and operated like a whole other beast then. In part and parcel it practically was a different aninmal.

I'm much older than I was earlier in my developer years (turning 36 in a few months) and have come to form an appreciation for this kind of thinking. With age my patience for some of the crap these high-speed, energetic startups (and even some established companies looking to target the young and energetic worker by adopting startup-y tropes-like the open office) put their workers through has plummeted.

I don't care about your beer. I care about your healthcare plan. Do you offer retirement benefits? Are you matching contributions?

Hey that's a real nice pool table you've got there. There's a slim to none chance I'll ever be playing on it (partly because I'll mop the floor with anybody you throw at me over a game of 8-ball), do you support continuing education of your employees? How? Subsidized or can I expect to be reimbursed for taking a certificate course?

Are you discussing met objectives with the workforce? What gets discussed in an all-hands meeting? Did we meet our monthly business goals or did we come up short? Or are the meetings just feel good moments of superlatives for someone who got a positive reaction on twitter?

Don't get me wrong, this line of thinking kind of drifts away from the core discussion we're having about open-office spaces, but I look at the open office space as an indicator of QOL in the work place.

I walk in for an interview and see rows and columns of monitors, surge protectors and switches, entire ecosystems of cables mashed under a desk and the only thing that looks like a wall separating one area from the next being a conference room with not enough chairs, and history has taught me to be very incredulous. Very good chance I'm not going to want to work there or will regret it in a few months.