hungerstrike

Pointing out the simple, obvious definition is still better than any argument that you’ve made about anything here, IMO.

I’d love to hear you make an argument that will shed light on things from your knowledge of the “murky the field of empiricism” though. Let’s hear it!

So far all of you’ve done is point out what it is. I don’t think you really explained how it helps your case at all. How does it invalidate the easily observable fact that you can see plenty of people leaving reviews for apps that they are just fine with?

You said people don’t leave those types of reviews but there they are. So what are you going to say that makes them somehow disappear? Really, I’d like to understand. Do we really need Plato though to explore this? I think if you really understand something you should be able to explain in pretty simple terms.

The definition of empirical is: “based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.”

Was there a salient point that you were trying to make or are you just going to continue to misrepresent definitions of words that you can easily look up for yourself?

I’ve written them personally. You can also go and look at some of them yourself. That’s what empirical means.

OK and I’ve seen plenty of 2.5 - 3 star reviews where people were just fine with the app too. Same thing with products on Amazon. I’ve also left review such as this myself.

People like sharing their experiences with others. They’ve been doing it for thousands of years. Go figure.

Care to try again?

> People who are fine with their apps don't write reviews.

This is obviously incorrect since you can see positive reviews, many of them in fact, on many apps. I myself have posted positive reviews... not sure when you thought I agreed to this.

That alone pretty much kills your whole theory. Sorry but I still don’t agree with you and I think you’re really reaching here. Most importantly though, you have presented zero evidence in favor of your claims.

How hard is it to destroy things? If people wanted to they could start breaking shit and then there would be no cameras watching them.

Can you manufacture devices faster than people can break them? I think some sort of mass uprising could still work.

OK and all I’m saying is that you have not presented any evidence for your claim at all.

You've got no evidence and your logic regarding sample sizes is unsound.

10% is a huge sample size for any survey. Look at how it's calculated - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size_determination

or just plug in your numbers here - https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/

EDIT: Someone is also flagging or downvoting your comments. Not me.

Where is your evidence for anything that you’ve said? Where is your evidence that it's polluted?

Actually, 10% of a population is a damn good sample size for just about any scientific or medical study. It’s quite large to be honest.

Anyway, once again... where is your evidence that this rarely happens?

Incorrect again. The fact that you can go onto any apps review history and see evidence that people are unhappy with updates that break their stuff is exactly the definition of empirical evidence.

Sorry, but none of your badly formed, hand-wavy reasoning has proven that wrong. Also, nobody is arguing that "the majority" think something - I'm arguing against your completely anecdotal and un-evidenced claim that it "rarely" happens.

What evidence do you have that it rarely happens? None that I can see so far...

Hmmm, well I'd say that beyond a very superficial comparison with "keyboards" from 200 years ago (if there even were such a thing), modern keyboards have changed a lot and for good reason.

I'm sure glad that my ancestors decided to move out of their caves.

> App reviews aren't really empirical.

Yes they are. The definition of empirical is that you can observe the evidence. This is easily observable.

What have you presented besides your own anecdotes?

> "Apps like this" on Windows/Linux

It's called Google. The same thing I use to find iOS apps because Apples app store search and recommendations are horrible. None of the app store searches are really any good and I'm pretty sure Google is the number one place that people usually search for things. I don't know anybody who opens up their app store to search for an app.

Anyway, argue all you want - you're wrong. People care about updates that mess up their stuff whether you can bring yourself to acknowledge that or not.

Incorrect. It happens regularly and it certainly affects non-developers. I've seen it too many times. Look through any apps review history and you'll find people complaining about changes that they have no control over.

It's the same thing with the OS. There are always tons of complaints after a new release of iOS.

> ...I'll just use another one.

Yep. And you'll spend your time looking for another one and then you'll spend more time transitioning over to it.

> Most people don't think "Oh man I love Instagram v50.1.2",they just use Instagram.

Nope. Instead they think - "Oh man, Instagram sucks after that last update, but what can I do about it??" and then they give up.

Followed by comments about how Mac OS is somehow “the best” despite the fact that the vast majority of developers prefer Windows.

If some app removed a function that you depended on in a newer version, you'd want to go back to the old version. At that point, you wouldn't be able to just use the app.

Then you'd have to spend your time waiting for the author of your walled-garden app to fix the problem or spend your time finding a different app to use and then spend more time transitioning to it.

In any case, I think that the trade-off needs to be acknowledged for what it is. You're trading your freedom for convenience. Of course this is the American way, what with all the overflowing amounts of freedom that we have.

I don't see how they could "know they're the best" when Windows is the best. If you want the CLI tools from 1979 that come with your Mac, you can easily add them to Windows, the best and most widely used desktop operating system on the planet.

Seriously, there's nothing that comes close to Windows - it just works great and the manufacturer doesn't pull the rug out from under your feet every 5 years like Apple does. If there were something better I'd switch to that too, but there's not.

Vertical 5 button mouse and an OS that can actually handle it (Windows) >>> trackpad and Mac OS.

> Unfortunately the majority of people respond more strongly to pithy memes and emotional appeals...

This is why I want the described system. I can make it work for me by being selective about who or what I upvote.

(It wouldn't be just upvotes though. I'd like to apply all kinds of ratings. The whole point is that I'd be in control.)

Mobile apps are not as good as portable apps where I can actually go back to an older version if I want to.

I am looking forward to the death of reddit because I think it can be done way better. One big thing I'd like to see changed is the very blunt upvote/downvote hammer that results in tyranny of the majority every time. Instead, I'd like comments to be sorted based on my "network of influencers", or users who I've rated positively...

Another thing I think should be changed is that mods shouldn't be all powerful and they shouldn't be able to just shut down.

So then they don't have to take part in it. Take your business somewhere else.

I can't believe you're all going to sit here and complain about fucking booze and sex while at the same time, by doing business there at all, you're supporting a tyrannical fucking monster of a government!

Oh no! Not Booze and Sex!! The humanity!

People who complain about "bro culture" won't be happy until everybody (and I mean everybody) is exactly like them...bland.

Does ddg use google results? I have read that they do not.

Are there any apps that perform searches on multiple search engines and combine the results?

The things I mentioned are what constitute the superior UX that you get with Windows.

Also, the majority of programmers and the vast majority of desktop users are on Windows. So, outside of the tiny HN/SV bubble the market disagrees with you.

Sure, where pre-installed apps are "adware" and debug logging is "spyware". In which case you should never use Android, iOS, a Mac, Ubuntu or any website.

There's a ton of liberal west coast idealists on HN who pretty much hate anyone who isn't exactly like them or who they don't understand. They think they're better than everyone else with their Macs and their pure functional programming.

These people can only exist in a bubble though. Most people outside that bubble are laughing at them.

SQL is way more expressive than most ORMs, so solving problems is easier in general.

Incorrect. Here's proof - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17414081

Their comment: Windows is terrible. (No downvotes.)

My comment: Windows is the best. (-4 downvotes.)

Windows is better than anything. Nothing else even comes close to its mix of quality, flexibility, stability and commercial support.

Nothing.