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Doesn't read as fifth grade to me. Just has a little spiciness to it, I appreciate that. Think about it, the person could have linked and linked and linked to other articles to back up some point of disagreement. But instead, they shared their own opinion, relatable, easy to follow, and refreshing.

"you know what this old thread needs? some hacker news superiority" - you

You jumping in a old thread, and you expect me to believe it's because you want me to stop? sounds like to showed up late to the party and just sad everyone left, and you want me to jump back in to talk to you. How you doing?

"intellectually dishonest" as opposed to physically dishonest or...?

Preferential admissions, sure. And that's not new, admissions take a lot of things into account besides race, like religion, family members who were alumni, hell you can even just pay to get in. You think maybe white men get more preferential treatment in life though? "BUt THaTs NOt WhAT We ArE TALkiNg AbOuT". Huge difference between situational advantage and systematic disadvantage.

worse educational experience? thats dramatic as hell. You are just mad that can't steal support reserved for other folks.

You keep throwing around priveledge and advantage but I don't think you get it. Do women make less money than men, underrepresented in industries, way higher percentage of being victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault? But your argument, is always "some men", but we are talking about "in general". Huge difference between situational advantage and systematic disadvantage.

Calling me reprehensible, and you are all high and mighty about how mean sarcasm is hahaha. This whole thread, is you getting all bent out of shape because you think the white man isn't getting enough, just leave it at that. I hope one day you see how ridiculous that is.

your right, sarcasm is a tool of the devil and it's so unauthentic, it's like lying but with an even more evil purpose.

You are complaining, right now, about how now women get a situational advantage. And we shouldn't celebrate that they are better represented in academia! No mas zepto, at this point you just need to get out in the world and see what life is like for others, quit worrying about how underprivileged you are.

white dudes are underprivileged?

See it's better when you share your opinion, that way it's easier to see what you are thinking. You are getting mad at me for all these assumptions, but I was right, you really think white people are underprivileged, "it's unfair", and you call me reprehensible. This is where I'd hope you'd be sarcastic.

It's been fun zepto, i thought threads could keep going, but they can't. Here is what you are going to do, you are going to keep looking up statistics why is harder to be white. You'll keep complaining how the white man doesn't get his fair share. And that denying white people even more privilege is the real racism. You are the "poor me", and life is going to be incredibly challenging for you but you'll probably find support in some white guys group where they can "stay proud" and stand up for the white man. Just take care of yourself and don't hurt anybody.

Still never answered the question, thats just cruel, I was really hoping I'd get that answered.

all the men on here complaining they aren't getting support while others are, definitely aren't blaming anyone, you're right, I took that too far. Seeing a lot of men write how they are super stoked women are finally getting some small advantages in academia.

Why do you think a college would have an "advantage" for someone black that would not be available to someone white? Is it possible, hear me out, that maybe white people are still at a massive advantage getting to college and that colleges are trying to equalize the playing field?

Happy Thursday buddy.

The premise of your question doesn't relate to that last part, (masculinity vs men, different things) but I can answer the last part: they do get the same level of support maybe even better, but no, they shouldn't receive specific support reserved for folks with different obstacles.

I like white men! Love everyone! I dislike excuses around "poor me"s from folks that lack perspective on how they have it better, (I did not say good, said better). And not all white dudes feel sorry for themselves and blame "society", or college, or women, or other skin colors, or etc... Those folks are awesome to hang with. I'll hang with anyone, but you'll get an ear full if you bring that stuff up and are a white dude, still friendly though.

THE RELEVANCE OF MY HAIR IS EVERYTHING, I am in my 30's and it's committing suicide everyday, I'll talk about it while I still can. (You really hate my jokes, still like you though)

I usually don't care if you don't answer my questions but I was truly truly hoping you'd answer what you think masculinity is, I answered for you, come on now.

Jesus, zepto: A) Thanks for such a detailed response B) Screw you for such a detailed response, my thumbs gonna hurt

I write on my phone while watching travel videos on youtube and drinking, quoting is a pain, you deserve a better conversation, but I'll do my best,(thats a lie).

Sarcasm is great, its meant to get people riled up, you should try it, makes these comments more entertaining while also exaggerating another's end goal to show where those ideals lead.

Regarding focusing on men, (each paragraph to your points), I read the article, (like three times now because I feel like we read different things), its an opinion piece, I am trying to tell you I disagree with the summation that men, and white men, (the article brings up race!), are at a disadvantage and don't have the same LEVEL of support. They get different support, like being white and/or male, which for real, I will not go over again why its so much easier/better to be male and/or white. (Higher paying job while you get through school!)

At this point you aren't stating much, just trying interview me or something, so I'll assume all I want.

The article is providing context as pertains only to college. Disregards that white men have better access to college prep classes, paid more while they go to school, less chance of hardships, (not saying there are no hardships but again white male life = easier life) I really don't care if less men are going to college, I didn't graduate, not the end of the world, still had it easier. And no, not college age, but if you are, I swear life is better when older.

(oi i am only half way through)

Yea, "in terms of" thats the point that gets me, like caring about that, with all the other advantages you get from being white and/or male, you need to made sure no one else can ever have a different advantage, especially one thats easy to get around and still get to where you want.

Again, it's an opinion piece article, I am pointing out I think it's disagreeable because its so shortsighted.

Now you point out it's an age thing, I mean, sleep easy on that point, you are right. I haven't been that age for 13 years. Still live and work with people of all ages, share stories, listen to their lives, try to do my best to figure out whats going on, empathize... But if you want to say its a secretive world I would only understand if I were you, please help me get it, pretty sure these threads can go as long as we want.

I mean, you are debating heavily to prove that men have it worse, "in terms of" whatever, I can take that another step and just say you are complaining. Could go further with sarcasm and take if further but you pointed out you are not a fan.

I get your argument, but I am pointing out that while you are saying "same" you literally mean men should have access to support that is reserved for different people that have different hardships, in order to try to make the playing field more level. You, (not saying you personally, but in case you go there), can't say we should have the same access to support in college while having much different obstacles in life.

And yea definitely not trying to contribute anything, button says "comment" or "reply", not contribute, you feel like my opinions are that lame or what?

And yea, tying in a lot of things, but all related and what your greater point of view may be.

I like you zepto, just trying to help with your perspective. Obviously, that was a lot to write from both of us.

> Do you understand what masculinity is?

This is the best question. Masculinity is just an archetype. It could have been three dudes standing around, "Hey you know, we are all strong, smart, and like to protect our families. I bet it's because we have these third legs, pretty sure that's it." And then we pass it down generations. Tell women the same BS about femininity. Letting just a few folks define what a gender represents, as if one side or the other does not share those traits. Just being human isn't as fun, I guess? Or maybe just the complexity of being undefined is too much for some folks, to know they could be contradictory, complex or different. Either way, masculinity itself is just kind of like a cult-y marketing tool. It's used to either make you feel bad or great, maybe apart of something, (that always ends well), but the people selling it, want it to define you. And if you buy into it, think there is something special about you because you pee standing up, and that makes you superior, that's toxic AF.

And yes I am straight, white, and male, with a nice haircut and could tell you the 7 day forecast everyday of the year. Would love to hear your definition on masculinity and why you treasure it's meaning so much.

You are making a lot of huge jumps there, incorrectly, (except for the sarcasm, completely on point), and you asked like 5 questions.

Everyone should get support! More support! Everyone. By focusing on men, you are stating it is MORE challenging for men. It is not. Men should get more support, so should everyone, but if we are handing out bread, men should be last to receive, as our plate is the fullest. Do you really think men have it worse? I don't, being a guy is super great, much easier, and complaining about it just makes you seem like you lack perspective. Only you can tell us.

yea it's a basic situation everyone deals with, this person just thinks it pertains to males.

Yea black people always getting that advantage, you should let more people know. I mean, people just don't understand how hard it is to be white these days with twitter hate and everything. Be the voice! Let me know how it goes.

yea totally changed my mind, it does sound like things just aren't fair and the other "groups" have it better while the white man "deserves" it's fair share. Should we start a group or what? Which other group should we target first to get the "support" that we need?

Just saying thats not answering the question, guys today have so much more, except for more severe inequality over their counterparts.

they won't answer so I will, "no it doesn't"

Definitely black people's fault... hey you coming to the meeting next week? we got a lot of crosses to burn, could use your help.

Good to see you creepin in homes listening to black mothers not give enough praise to their kids, thats great research for the cause.

> HR typically wants their diversity numbers up badly so if you're gay

You're right, I always fail that interview question where they ask me what my sexual preference is and I say women... ...Seriously? you are just making stuff up now.

What support is not offered now that men had in the 1950's?

> A racist solution would be to give advantages to black people.

Let's try it and find out.

Love to see us even try to give black people an advantage. In the US, it take 200 years and 12 civil wars.

It's called therapy, not blaming other people that don't look like you coming up. And yea, therapy is expensive and usually not covered by medical insurance. So vote.

I hear you, this is alarming. No support! We deserve it, right? Being a young white male is probably the hardest thing to be in the world. Getting profiled... by twitter. And then, not to mention, all the dirty looks we get when we lock our doors, protect our families from this new wave of white hate. I proclaim we change this, but it won't be easy. We'll need to wear some hoods... ... Or just stop being a sad boi, join society and have some fun? Don't be a jerk? Like actively try to make others lives better? Might just get, actually it will, get better for you.

That's not the point that person was making. But (figuratively) its very true not many people at all can own such a car. Imagine owning one, you got well over $100k of f-off-money, but then tell your barista "life is rough with these car insurance prices on Ferraris". It's perspective.

I think "to the door" might be a metaphor for going through life up to that point, but I like you literal interpretation better, like everyone in those stories specifically faces atrocities ONLY on the way to an interview. Because if you get shitbagged on a Tuesday and have the interview Wednesday, then really, it's an equal playing field.

Again, with the normal, who are you talking about? People are complex, all people, normal is your perception of others, check yourself.

haha not so much, feeling sorry for someone that can afford a Ferrari and then complains about the car insurance would be ridiculous. Similar to feeling sorry for white guys having to deal with politics, its warranted, not serious, and does not deserve more attention that many other REAL issues. But anyways, have a good day.

> crosshairs of reactionary political ideologies

You feel sorry for young white men because they have to deal with politics? "Ferrari owners pay an unfair amount of car insurance."

I was young once, and I am white. Yea sure, I understand it. And this is no way new, I had plenty of other white people feeling sorry for me because, "the country is being taken from the white man". That is ooooold, old, old. Fear based racism been around.

But to your weak sauce point, some folks are just going to have a hard go at life, but is it easier being white through life, no matter what? Yea, for sure. No one says it's an easy life, but it is easier being light skinned.

> unwanted, depressed

I think there used to be some organizations that helped with that. Specifically white men. You know, the kind that would give them a purpose, make them feel wanted. You got a hood and everything.

No, I just get outdoors and live with real people, and see it myself. I've been pulled over in a car with two other dudes, and watched the darkest skin guy get the crap kicked out of him because they thought he is a gangster, while we had to sit on a curb and watch. Where I went to school, counselors tried to get me to take AP classes, which I didn't want, while my friends with darker skin, and better grades, had to go on the wait list. I lived in an area where 13 year old pregnancies were regular. Guys raping chicks while they are passed out drunk in high school was regular. Jumping the gay kids were regular. I got to watch it, empathize with my friends, but I never had to bear the burden. My burden was folks like you, denying there are any problems because you are so safe, can't fathom life being different, even when it's across the street.

> normal people

Point exactly, when you say normal, you are thinking of white dude America. And yes, this does not happen to them.

> foot through the door

Yea, but we got no problem getting to that door. Minorities might get pulled over and get a knee on the neck. Women might get assaulted on their way. Being a white dude, I'll get a taxi there, no problem. So if I have to try harder to get the position, pretty understandable, since I got the head start.

Not saying life is easy for anyone, saying it's so much easier being a white dude with a nice hair cut. You know I used to be so broke I had to "beg" for gas money at a gas station to get to my first day at a new job, first person I asked gave me a $20. Life. is. easier.