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Overworked Chinese workers have been making western consumers better off for more than two decades now. Chinese domestic consumption is very low even among developing countries, negligible compared to its gigantic export.

Upon joining WTO one prerequisite is 5 days-8 hours work week, while presently in China you often find 996 schedule instead, with factory workers even worse with 12 hour shifts and 2 days off a month.

It is simply sweatshop in the 21st century again, a hallmark of Neijuan.

> It was the most sold during March, but that's it.

Also June, and a better link for monthly sales by model from your source is https://www.autohome.com.cn/rank/1.

Basically Model Y has been consistently in top 3 by monthly sales of EV in China so far in 2026. If you count by 3-month or 6-month periods, it is only next to Geely EX2 at 1/3 of its price as pointed out by another comment.

Part of the fluctuation is due to one month of every quarter the Tesla Shanghai factory is oriented at export, so domestic number drops dramatically.

HN is full of ppl claiming Chinese EV is superior in every way without realizing that Tesla is incredibly popular in Chinese domestic market.

> 5000 meters in Sichuan

Pretty sure you were in Tibetan areas at those altitudes, a large part of Sichuan is actually Tibetan.

Communists have been executing bankers since day one so not just recent decades, if anyone finds that impressive.

They don't have private companies like Equifax collecting those because it is built into the government.

At the minimum, new employee background check involved providing bank statement + social security contribution + income tax history.

Meanwhile ppl freak out over Anthropic using timezone and Unicode for the same purpose, without realizing Chinese are simply ruthless in abusing iOS or Android or Web. Pinduoduo, who owns Temu, is infamous for exploiting an Android 0day vulnerability for such purposes.

The keyword is soon, so OP simply meant current generation of LLMs are not likely to prove RH, judging from the performance shown in the paper.

Why? Because such explicit numerical improvements are not that interesting, which is best summed up in a review paper [0] of our efforts on RH spanning a century and a half,

> The pathetic attempts to enlarge the ridiculous zero free region in the critical strip is a perfect example of what brute force can do without fully exploiting fundamental arithmetic aspects of the problem. (italic added)

For outsiders, zero free region is another angle abundant with numerical improvements but no groundbreaking insights. For percentage people stop at ~40% because there is no need to proceed further, just like we are not interested in computing the googol-th digit of pi although in principle we could.

The groundbreaking results are like Selberg's that goes from zero to 0.01% (actually it is left unspecified, all we know is the percentage is positive), or Zhang's twin prime bound from infinity to 70,000,000. After this leap the pure numerical difference between 0.01%, 40%, 67% or even 100% is not substantial, and that's partly why Selberg did not even bother to compute it. Also RH will not follow from 100%, because in mathematics 100% does not mean all.

On the other hand, it is also wrong to dismiss such results all together. Riemann already know the real part of all zeros are bewteen zero and one, and RH says they equal 1/2. If someone or some LLM proved they are all less than 0.99, well this would be huge, and I'd bet they would easily get a Fields and be remembered forever. Innocent looking results could have drastically different technical depth behind them.

Alas math ppl tend to agree that RH will not be proved one bit at a time. The fundamental arithmetic aspects, once found out, will likely knock out not only RH but all the other L-functions in one go.

[0]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.01770

> Tesla is faltering so badly in China.

Huh? In June the best selling EV in China is Model Y across all price ranges. Model 3 a tie for the 8th with many ~$10k entry level higher up. If you only rank among ~$40k, then it's a tie for the 4th.

This is very very far from faltering so badly.

For more mathematics/physics behind it, Körner's classic Fourier Analysis [0] contains a few interesting chapters.

[0]: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/fourier-analysis/5FD8F0...

>> The current peer-review model, I should remind you, is a recent invention from the second half of the twentieth century.

What? In EU Crelle's Journal is founded in 1826, while in the US the American Journal of Mathematics in 1878.

If you consider Tesla in China to be Chinese, then BYD in EU would be Hungarian in the parent comment. Japanese brands also manufactures in Mexico, so Mazda is suddenly Mexican now? I've never seen anyone claiming such stuff, except when it comes to anything China.

Model Y remains American just like iPhone, regardless of where they are made. Nobody refers to iPhone as Chinese or Indian.

> because US manufacturers are 100% unable to compete.

In the June just passed Tesla Model Y is the best selling EV in China.

>> I meant it in its fullest form, i.e. serious people.

Is academia serious enough? Well ever since LLM journals' inboxes are bombarded with submissions, and this applies across fields. Like OP said, ppl serious or not are asking LLM about any stuff, also serious or not.

Doesn't this apply to China in the first place? Their GFW practically blocked such choices for decades already.

Why not South Korea? Even ethnic Koreans in China go to South Korea en mass.

> You'd pay several hundred percents more

Sounds impressive in relative terms but not quite so in absolute terms, because PCB is dirty cheap so 100% is just $10-$20.

> it's not unreasonable to expect them to deliver higher and more consistent quality than home fabs.

Actually it is the opposite, OshPark quality is consistently higher than JLC for years. Chinese manufacturers can do Apple products but also Temu craps, so don't get your hopes high. The only reasonable expectation is being cheap reduces quality.

Technically yes, but the ways US and China treat foreigners are at two extremes.

As long as you are invited and keep your mouth shut about ccp, China does not care about papers. One famous example is an athlete, when questioned about nationality after winning an Olympic gold medal for China, publicly claimed that I am Chinese when I am in China, and American when I am in the US.

> paint China as a good alternative.

I don't think OP is doing this, just stating the obvious. The invitation implies $$$ but not naturalization.

> If you want to live in a country, you might want to actually be a citizen of that country. Does that need explaining?

Yeah might, so it is big question depending on the situation, and even bigger once you got more passports or permanent residence. For example people intentionally avoid US permanent residence or citizenship for global taxation.

> Are you seriously suggesting that people can literally just not engage at all with the society they live in?

All the time, especially the US expats in China. They tend to live in nice communities for foreigners in a few tier-1 cities, they go to western style international hospitals and their kids goes to fancy international schools. Basically employers have everything prepared nicely for them, hence the contrast of China between foreigners and citizens.

In terms of racism in China or east Asia as a whole, there is practically no problem for white ppl, small problem for indians, big problem for blacks.

In the reverse direction in the US there are Chinese/Latino spending their lives in their own ethnic community without speaking English at all, it is not that uncommon, just invisible.

> It has nothing to do with loopholes on anything.

Not sure about India but delivery in China has everything to do with loopholes.

No health care and social security for most, and for the few who have the company artificially fake income for tax evasion.

Working conditions are the usual 12~14 hours a day with 2~4 days off a month.

The electric bike they are riding are dangerously over-limits and categorizes as motorcycles, which are actually banned in most big cities. Of the few that allow it, Shanghai for example, you need to pay ~$70k for registration alone.

In the US the situation is better but not free from problems, for example the first job for a lot of the illegal immigrants who can not speak English is package sorting with similar working schedule, but at least it pays good enough.

The textbook poverty which are created by such organization itself with strategic planning and a controlled economy in the first place, killing ~30 million. All the more impressive it only took them under 10 years.

This actually applies to the US as well. Anytime you need to send $1k+ to a stranger the process is a pain in the ass.

> ACH, most bank does not allow send to stranger, and it takes 1~3 days for settlement among those which allow.

> Wire, expensive ~$30 per transaction.

> Paypal/Venmo/CashApp, Schrödinger's fraud trigger you never know it's gonna work or not. Plus they report to IRS so more paperwork during tax season.

> A lot of banks report every transaction of your checking account to credit bureaus.

So stable coin is my preferred way, and luckily among my circle it is widely accepted. Any amount is instant with a few cents fee at most.

Not only this, it also enables sneaker/pokemon/5090 scalping, Chinese/Russian using ChatGPT/Claude. A residential IP in the US is very valuable elsewhere.

Yep this is the right answer, address jigging is the oldest trick in botting. Nowadays with fingerprint browser, generated credit card number and residential proxy, it is very hard to tell legit buyers from scalpers.

Your reply already shows the difference. In US you have the default expectation of privacy, until the feds get their eyes on you. Meanwhile in China the default expectation is no privacy, exactly as OP argued.

This system in action is best demonstrated during the lock-down period of COVID, when any random dude who contracted the virus would immediately have their personal life for the previous week/month published nationwide to the hour, and those who have overlap will immediately get a 14 day lock-down at home.

I have not seen surveillance done with such ease and breath elsewhere. And local PD already have access to such info, and there are scandals where police sell such info for profit.

By which it is implied such trips are obviously non-starters for foreign students. This is the most evident during Thanksgiving and Christmas when most undergrad students in the US reunion with their family and friends.

Well why Americans are not willing to take those PhD offers that pay barely above poverty line for 5 years or so? The answer is obvious, they would rather take a job in industry that pays miles better.

There is really no reason to be resentful because it is a voluntary choice, and foreign students are worse off in every aspect to start with. Leaving friends & family behind, travel often involves long-haul flights, different culture to blend in, not eligible for NSF grants and national lab jobs, etc.

Situation is really similar to H1B workers discussed here a while ago. The options for Americans are plenty while for foreigners very scarce, and with the recent change it is getting even more so without giving Americans a bigger incentive, so it is really a lose-lose outcome.

Not is but the obvious one was COVID policy during 2020-2022. It triggered the closest thing to a domestic unrest you can get in China after 1989, a large exodus of middle class, and an almost 50% crash in their real estate market. The last one is very deadly and still ongoing because that is how China financed its growth for decades.

Any source? In my field US Citizens and permanent residents are actually preferred for at least two reasons, first they are eligible for graduate grants like NSF so they are not using department's money; second upon graduation they are eligible for more jobs because places like national labs do not hire foreigners.

Because no one in their right mind will work the Chinese 996-esque schedule in the 21st century, except the Chinese?

They are actually importing Chinese workers to their Brazil factory, leading to the slave labor expose by Brazilian authorities [0]. They have the same trouble recruiting in Thailand, where workers have functioning unions and enjoy modern working rights, instead of 19th-early 20th century Industrial Revolution type stuff.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Brazil_working_conditions_...

I wonder what will happen to Chinese employees of Anthropic/OpenAI/Google Gemini? Given the ubiquitous Chinese names in AI papers there must be quite a few.

They probably have gotten their PR or in the process, but naturalization requires five years after that, so there must be some still not citizen yet.