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So the trouble with this argument is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the brain can solve problems that a turing machine can't. There's none. No one has been able to formulate a problem in a reasonable way that a computer algorithm can't be devised to solve it that people can solve. It is basically a bunch of handwaving nonsense like the tripartite nature of god(father, son and holy spirit...) Searle's chinese room argument is slightly better, but is still ultimately a pile of horseshit. From an external point of view we cannot distinguish between a room full of people who do not speak chinese but can translate it following rigorous instructions and tables and a room full of qualified chinese translators. For all external purposes the black boxes are equivalent except that you can take a chinese translator out of the room and still use them to translate chinese without the rigorous instructions and reference material in the room.

There is no good philosophical argument against Strong AI. It is a bunch of quasi-religious, humans are special because we say so wishy-washy nonsense.

I would be more careful using Steve Jobs as an example, the patents he infringed on (Ericsson, Nokia and another company, i do not recall the name off the top of my head) was what made the modern simpler smartphone possible (over 30 patents if i recall right) - so a strong lead/visionary - yes, a strong original programmer as the picture of him is drawn (from my limited knowledge - not so much). Linus - who can disagree? Even though with years the will to break new ground decreases. Elon though humanity is indepted to him and he has shown that some people discarded by big data has alot to give he still isn't leading alone as the original programmer. Neither is Zuckerberg as far as i know (but I can admit I don't know enough about him or his history).

Visionaries - yes. Original lead programmers that lead by example and create original solutions to individual programming problems - not so much to my knowledge.

This is the thing. Amazon is basically a fast food restaurant or a best buy and not a technology company like say Google. The only real difference between Amazon and say IBM, is that Amazon is younger and used to have pretty smart leadership. It is a conformist place that is really only successful because Wall Street doesn't want to fund more than one ecommerce company.

The notion of "non-technical" for the "non-technical" cofounder of a technology company is dramatically more technical than the notion of "non-technical" for the general population. A useful non-technical co-founder is at least a technology power user, and probably actually someone who could write code that will kind of work most of the time in a language designed for encouraging children to program such as python. https://www.python.org/doc/essays/everybody/

E-ChatGPT should replace snail-Google. It's called a reaping of just rewards, happens all the time. Google was once blessed by the new god and now must suffer at the hand of the old devil.

No credibility to those going off grid or those slandering them. There will be idiots wanting things to be black or white with nothing in between - while it's the scale that creates the ability to differentiate right from wrong and what is what.

Fluoride has been linked as detrimental to IQ by Harvard - search and you'll find the study (and afaik not only by Harvard, one example should be enough).

Regarding tap water it will soon be the organisation of it through the state that stands between a massive "outbreak" of cancer in the population and keepign up the current rates of it. -Fracking has created holes inbetween water sources and oil/gas pockets - these are filled in by pumping down gravel and cement. That mixture to begin with isn't even as "qualitative" as you might think as pokects of other materials are created and as the layers of rock, dirth etc shifts the material is ground down. Within 30 years there is a really high risk of failure and over time the vast majority will fail - resulting in a poisioned watertable. Do you really think the people who have ownership of gas, oil and fracking companies will be held accountable by the legal system? Or by corrupt politicians - many who surely had a hand in the allowance to drill in the manner which has been done...

Tap water is the way to assure massive amounts of clean water to a population - that however does not mean that it does not come without a cost (if it is fluoride and a lowering of IQ to create a docile people or not) and that tradeoff should be known - both the positive and the negative of it.

Transparency drives technological evolution, if the tradeoff is known and can be argued to be problematic there is an incentive to come up with a better solution.

Up to people to spread the word on these, if every person knew 1 or 2 progressive politicians (no matter which side, aka in relation to those regressive in the democracts and those progressive in the undemocratic aka the republican, party) and shared that with others there would sooner rather then later be a change - be the impact you want to see.

Aren't banks allready shifting over in larger scale to quntum computing? Would also explain the openess from a bank. Though national banks and nation state backed banks are imo often quite a few steps better than the rest - then again at times even though publically supported fks up like Nordea.

I was suprised to see that none had commented on draining the possible genepool for Mammoth yet?

These "miners" are bound to reduce the available DNA for researchers that do work within this field, humans likely killed off the mammoth - if we brought it back it could serve to upkeep large quantities of open grounds (believe it or not but herds are important to grasslands and soilvalue).

Either there should be a larger rewards than the bones can offer and a get out of jail freecard for the offense if fresh DNA or what to is believed to be such is found (so that scientifical extraction is possible on site).

Or the regulation should be strengthened, both the governement and the criminal networks should realise what a potential goldmine living and breeding mammothherds could be for russia...

I use Lewinsky to manage my favorites on www. p o r n h u b .com

[WARNING if you do not like rants stay away]

First off, the open net is dead, people not giving a fuck killed it when they simply said yet to the shitty deals the unscrupulous companies offered. Those tech savvy should have lead the way away from these sites to alternatives - that didn't happen. If that wasn't enough the knowledge of EchelonV killed it. People will never again act truly honestly on the net, which hopefully will offset any short sighted plans google and NSA has to premeptively steer public opinion.

The last real breath was drawn as people kept on using google and that breath was drawn precisely when google "modified" their algorithm to kill off private sites who came in high on rankings. Since then any site that has arisen to challange google seems to have magically have been killed or taken over (suddenly swapping to using google coding for unexplained reasons). Oh to mention a few; scroogle, qwant, lycos, zapmeta, qwant, wn, millionshort, gigablast, xirkle... You can still search through the old altavista pile if u want but yeah. Most other motors gives u a shitstorm of companies that you do not care for before you can read private sites off enligthened people who strive to improve x thing.

The next terryfying thing is as what happens when large sites get taken over and the large libraries of knowledge falls into informal hands or simply disappears (IMDB boards to mention a recent setback, and i meant the positive discussions not the large clusterfks of idiots and astroturfers et al).

And of before i forget - as someone who saw through FB before it took off (previous avid user of ICQ, AIM, newb at IRC etc) i fucking told you (if any of those i actually told would stumble across this).

Localised meshnets could have been the future (with "netbrowsers" as the tool to reach em), though with the thought of all that information being in the hands of normal people governments are "finally" reacting and starting to spread fibre as far as i know through some of europe (scandinavia) which could effectively kill that effort. So start taking political action for a free future of information \/.

Grassroots - socialdemocracy that sprung froms scandinavia but has major partial similarities to alot of European countries pre EU when the public sector was larger (around 10%). Through grassroots people achieved greater impact for the state (as represented by the people for the people) through law, regulation and public ownership ("the greater good"). That change was not brought on catastrophically but incrimentally by the poor working class also even partially by what today would be called entrepreneurs (the liberals of those days) that realised that local companies could gain more by increasing the wealth for the local populace who could then produce more efficiently (win/win).

Anyway, when people impact through the national state they have power, when wealth is shifted from nation to private hands is when the public should start to move. I'm still surprised the reality that could be had by the big short (2015) where moody's et al with rubberstamping actively helps in making that shift happen. It seems like hidden plutocrats have greenlit to jump ship more or less...

What people need to do is to organise, activate and put real pressure on those working for as few as possible instead of as many as possible. Once real democratic rule has been established through law and oversight (transparency - means disabling some shadow groups in the gov and right outside it) a more egalitarian and utilitarian (efficient) society will spring forth.

This is actually a summary of the original document http://www.sparknotes.com/poetry/rapeofthelock/characters.ht...

Seemingly Hacker news are getting "overrun" by turfers, but that is not what I am, I only represent myself.

As there seem to be astroturfers out and those who require sources (which are not equated but noted to be a seperated quality) I'll ad some information; The vaccine was Pandemrix and the study was conducted by läkemedelsverket (basically a national study organ of medicine).

Pigflue itself would cause narcolepsy but the vaccine would increase the risk threefold.

https://lakemedelsverket.se/english/All-news/NYHETER-2011/A-...

Liberalism is based on an egalitarian society, if that is not upkept it's plutocratic capitalism (aka aristocracy).

Liberalism capitalism is good, but not on all of the markets.

Shouldn't the headline be that; if you have a safe system encryption can work?

Because as long as encryption that has been broken (or systems that have been compromised) is used what you are basically doing is giving mr V is a receipt that you have made a transaction...

Following is written as opinion for legality reasons, verify claims by yourself.

@ altstar and colatkinson

Why do you think Sweden has been burnt down to the ground as a VERY successfull alternative (using social democracy) combining democracy (weaving in plutocracy/conservatism), socialism and capitalism. The Swedish model is more relevant now than ever before though at this time the think tanks (like Timbro) in Sweden has muddled the water about what the Swedish model actually is.

The next step upwards has allready been taken and it's not the immigration brought on by conservatives (who introduced the multicultural term in sweden) or social democrats failing to handle the zero (read; population) growth economy.

Keynes > Friedman the last regressive and his followers; Thatcher (who knew about the pedophilia ring in UK and did nothing) and Reagan.

* About Sweden burning, read up on the Swedish debt and when/how the majority was attained. * Yes, Sweden had a good position after WWII, however the progress of the nation started in the 1800 not second half of 1900. * Right now the battle for democracy over plutocracy is ongoing in EU, that is the real reason people supported Brexit - not the "new" grander template for effectively being a "modern" tax haven (nor the NWO). Without borders you canno't upkeep democracy - without economical sanctions (executive power) to back up political decisions (normative power) there simply is no actual democracy.

The first step is corporativism, the key to it is having a functioning democracy first (that means roots have to rise, aka shit will pass it's tipping point), where effected groups discuss and have influence over the executive side (how should a political decision come to life) of decisions that the goverment gets elected on and that those are actually followed.

In Sweden SN (Swedish industry representatives) broke that deal and ended the joint progress in that manner, that lead to more moderate policies and companies being overtaken of global gigants - shifting work from the nation and slowly, slowly deteriorating the quality brands. It also lead to value flowing out from Sweden at an increased rate, decreasing national monetaric value.

* Don't get me wrong trading is positive, it increases the incremental technological evolution until markets stagnate alot, but some areas are better kept up to ensure other markets function - by using societal efficient institutions - aka universal institutions. Solving the tragedy of the commons.

Regarding the vaccine analogy I think the problem is opposite, that the positive sides to vaccines have always been accounted for but as soon as negative attributes are brought forward they're met with ad hominem or ad absurdum.

[Small rant] There are huge economical incentives to scold those who question medicines with high amounts of side effects. Do people really believe that big pharma doesn't account for a good share of the astroturfers online?

To give one example: In Sweden a vaccine for the pigflue caused narcolepsy in completely healthy young individuals. [End rant]

The problem here is not truth or how it's used to effect but foremost the missinformation that is blocking out all traces of it.

Truth helps any discussion and creates trust - which the vast majority of societies are built on (or used to be).

I think the point being made is that the devil's advocate brought out the norm to mobilise for every contingency (not that innovation won't suffer, which is obvious as misstrust rises) and that it can be used to rhetorically balance two points of view that are not equal (or two questionable actions).

In general: Ownership of information and facts are key points in the overall discussion here, if something is known it can be manipulated (just as they discuss above). Defensive patenting could be achieved, or releasing news of something to knock away at funding for its continuation...

One example how it could be relevant in particular to the general discussion is how the software and partially hardware has been kept by CIA to formally avoid reprecussions from good honest people.

Bots has come a long way through Guild Wars where they were basically fancy scripts to inducing AI in the start to becoming chatbots and having bots capable to do elite areas with teams "undetected" (knew the person within the guild, slipped up on guildrun using multiple instances of ghosts in ts). There was also pvp (different bots) bots that can/could do alot more than predetermined patterns.

In pve they became so common that the game economy became completely based off them (without the majority's knowledge).

The intelligence of other bots/programs to give a player an unfair advantage of some sort has also come an awfully long way. One example is the leaps the aimbot took in Halo PC, from being easy to detect even when used by top players to being nearly indetectible (except when priority issues or other bugs/glitches appear).

"Google is not what it seems." The NSA and the plutocratic informal interest group best known is probably the best bet.

Ruling the narrative and how people behave and what questions they ask is in focus. The end game isn't simply to predict opinion as weather but to stear it (as it has always been for dictators and those who do not believe in democracy).

When people speak about it's too late and ad the words "we" i always get nautious. Don't project your generalisations onto others, do something about it - and if you do what you can do help someone else to turn around. There are millions of people working to do so. And yes, there will be a high peak if nothing is done but there is still time to avoid extinguishing (or close to) the human race in it's current technological advancement.

There is still time to realingn the military to fight an actual war that matters, for continued human progress. There is still time for powerful regulation of the commons to avoid the tragedy therefor in so many areas. There is still time to buy those solar panels and spread information about those that exist ready to increase the efficiency a handful of times. There is still time for city planners to stop allowing new buildings in areas that will not be sustainable. There is still enough time to do alot of things...

Excluding conservatives worldwide, who are finally coming along as looking beyond their noses they've started smelling blood in the water - possibilities to prosper in the new climate.

Anyone got a proper map over black fibre and the national grid of Switzerland?

Could it be possible that "google" simply wants to access the data inbetween germany, france and italy (etc)? Onyx is set up on route between Zurich and those nations..?

Zürich [url]https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich#Geografi[/url] Onyx [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_%28interception_system%29...

"Anyway, it seems like a mystery to me why tech firms like Google set up shop in small expensive Zurich instead of say cheaper, bigger Barcelona or Vienna, for example."

The reason is simple: tax-evation and the like, Swiss is well known for it around Europe. That it hasn't been dealt with is not strange since we live in the age of hidden plutocracy (trading outposts and the like exist in many countries for the rich to circumvent the law - this should put Brexit in a new light for some).

Things are slowly changing for the better as people start to realise what is the real problem within society (or rather outside society), but seing as what happened to the "Panama" leak where the concentraded information wasn't released and basically ICIJ sat on it for a year or so (the initial estimates during that time dwindles from over $62T to less than $30T, the official cause was accounting for the same money several times).

Anyway, it seems like a mystery to me why tech firms like Google set up shop in small expensive Zurich instead of say cheaper, bigger Barcelona or Vienna, for example.

The reason is simple: tax-evation and the like.

It is okay because they are good negotiators and make useless product.pay America tax! We have sugar and electronic beep sounds!

everybody knows that Google was founded by Caliph Ali's ghost working in conjunction with a dashing L. Ron Hubbard clone.

this is perhaps the finest pakistani canard I have read in months.

you could organize a direct relief effort or campaign schauble to play nicer

The real question is not how you as a well educated computer science professional stay ready for interviews. The question is whether or not the US economy is going to be able to handle integrating and making use of modern technology in an efficient way, or if the US software industry will be collapsed by incompetence in the same way the US auto industry was.