They do crowdfunding for science stuff like this.
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There's a lot of regulation around being a platform where folks exchange securities (e.g. equity and debt). Someone can't, for example, whip together a website with Stripe over the weekend. The SEC takes this pretty seriously, and because of all the money transfer regulations, it's very hard to move large amounts of money around without playing by the rules. (Heh, I wonder how long before someone tries a bitcoin-based crowdinvesting site. [Don't try this at home!]) This should help limit most of the potentially shady and dangerous platforms.
I think this will also be a space where a few established brands dominate the space, and strong brands and networks will draw strong startups. Without good deal flow, it's going to be real hard to break into the space. Even if you allow anyone to create company profiles and raise money, you still need to draw in investors. I'm sure some people will be suckered in, but I'm skeptical this sort of site will become large enough to create systemic problems. (/knocks on wood)
But that doesn't mean a platform can't establish itself and branch out to allow "wild west" crowdinvesting. Wefunder has plans to expand who can raise money, but we care a ton about doing it responsibly and safely and it'll look somewhat different than what we have today. I won't go into much detail here because some things aren't public yet, and I'm sure every other platform has it's own thoughts and plans about "going mainstream".
Over the next few years I believe people will become more mature about crowd funding thanks to Kickstarter, and I think the skepticism about crowdinvesting and memories from the startup bubble(s?) will be a negative force against too much hype. But there is a danger around a crowdinvested company becoming "the next Facebook" and everyone going bananas about investing in more. There's no sure-fire protection against that. We do our best to educate folks about ways to approach startup investing and the risks involved, and hopefully other platforms will do the same.
I think there'll at least be a lot of visibility into crowdinvesting as a whole. So if things start to get fishy people will talk about it, and the more it's talked about the more folks will (hopefully) be cautious. (Maybe what we need is a crowdsourced SEC to help protect investors ;))
And finally, I think the space will evolve past "Kickstarter with an Invest Button" and the crowd will get better at doing diligence. There will be cases of things getting lots of funding that shouldn't, but that'll happen every now and again.
But who really knows, these are just my personal thoughts and speculations. I'm an optimist and want to believe in a happy crowdinvesting future. :)
Sites like Wefunder (disclosure: I'm a cofounder) and FundersClub put a lot of emphasis on vetting, for obvious reasons. You need "A player" startups to draw other "A player" startups, and if your selection of companies for investors to invest in are duds your ecosystem will collapse and everyone will lose money. Vetting helps keep the ecosystem healthy, but note: it's really hard to pick winners, startups are very risky investments, and at the end of the day never invest more than you can afford to lose.
While the JOBS act isn't in effect yet, there are a few protection mechanisms that are meant to avoid the situation you describe. Namely: unaccredited investors can only invest 5% of their income (10% if you make over $100k/yr). This protects you from losing your life savings. Also: unaccredited investors must invest through a crowdinvesting portal, and there are regulations around how those operate (e.g. the funding round must "tip" by hitting a target amount). There's a bit of "wisdom of crowds" that might help protect investors, but it depends on the crowd, how vulnerable crowd investors are to hype, and how good the fundraising platform is at helping crowds discuss/vet startups.
It's my personal belief, however, that simple startup failure will dominate fraud. Startups are hard! Even smart, motivated, well-connected founders fail. The best protection is to diversify your portfolio (e.g. make 25 $1k bets instead of one $25k bet).
My guess is that if the quality distribution was more like what an angel/vc sees outside of YC, it'd be more obvious that that there are some amazing companies in the W13 batch.
It's technically possible, we used state law ourselves to dogfood from unaccredited investors, but there are a number of issues that make it too much of a legal headache to be worthwhile. We explored this avenue last fall, and found it to create an adverse selection scenario (i.e. strong companies don't want to deal with it because they can raise money traditionally).
Maybe someone will try it, but the issue is that it puts the companies who raise money at risk - not the platform. I'd be skeptical about investing in companies raising money on such platforms, but I have obvious bias - I'm a cofounder of Wefunder. :)
However note: once Title III of the JOBS act takes effect, the unaccredited investor landscape will change dramatically.
We do have a few batchmates on our platform, you can always create your own index and invest in all of them. :) (Unfortunately due to regulations we can't publicly say who they are, and viewing/investing is limited to accredited investors only... for now!)
What's interesting to me is how the barrier for investing is being lowered (e.g. JOBS act) and how that's going to impact the dynamic of raising money. Startups are going to be able to find people in their industry who grok what they're doing (e.g. their customers) and raise small amounts of money from many people. It's going to be easier for investors to make more small bets ($1k instead of $50k), so I think the need for obvious traction early on (graphs going "up and to the right") is going to keep decreasing and it's going to be more about speaking to a niche of investors in your space and being great with product and communication.
And what's wrong about having a place to discover cool things you can pre-order? I pre-ordered a Pocket Monkey on Swish a few months ago. It came this week and it's awesome.
We want to be careful about making our branding too strong, because this post is about Wevorce, not Wefunder. In the future we'll put more design cycles into separating the Startup of the Week brand from our own, while keeping the featured startup front-and-center.
We (Wefunder) are featuring Wevorce as startup of the week. We focus on the founders because we love the team and want to present the company from their angle.
We should probably do a better job of clearly separating the Wefunder and Wevorce brands.
One thing to be careful with state law is that you still need to be mindful of general solicitation regulations. Right now it's illegal to publicly announce that you're actively raising money. If leaked to the press it could shut down your whole round, perhaps worse.
But state law without general solicitation can still be useful - at Wefunder we raised a crowd round from accredited and unaccredited investors on our platform using blue sky law. It's not for every company and comes with a few awkward restrictions, like only being able to accept investors in certain states and having investor limits. If anyone's interested in doing something similar, we talk about it on our blog [1] and are happy to share our legal docs which are VC friendly (for if/when you get to that Series A).
[1] https://wefunder.com/post/16-how-to-legally-crowd-invest-now
What people seem to be reacting to is the idea that User.find_by_id(params[:id]) is exploitable because you can coerce params[:id] into a hash instead of a string (by using a query string like ?id[select]=some_thing_here instead of ?id=27). True, but what most people here are overlooking is that User.find_by_id actually rejects these hashes because their keys are strings and not symbols. Try it out.
This vulnerability can be coupled with other vulnerabilities (like having someone's session secret, which is a much worse vulnerability IMO), but people are talking about it as if you can do something nasty with it by itself alone. That's why it's an overreaction.
If you do care about that, there are a couple ways you could structure the hackathon to eliminate some cheating (but a smart, talented, determined hacker probably can thwart them). Things like requiring submission of source code (then look at the git logs. what are the dates? are the first commits huge piles of work?) or structuring the contest around an unknown that gets revealed when it starts, like a theme (e.g. music-based apps).
While they probably don't feel external pressure due to lack of competition, I doubt they're hotdoggin' it because they are leaving money on the table.
The advantage of sharing a CDN (as opposed to every site having it's own) is caching. If I visit website-a.com and they include jquery.js from cdnjs.com then I visit website-b.com that also uses the same file, I don't have to download it twice and website-b.com loads faster than if it served that file itself. That's the big win, IMO, but unfortunately depends on cdnjs having a high density of use. Even still, if you can shave a 100ms of the loading of your page that can matter.
Nice work + demo, btw.
Our goal was to build a social place around board games and video chat. The video chat was to make it feel like you were with the other people, in the same room. We fell short in a few ways, but it's still live if you want to play with friends!
Eh, I don't see it as that big of a deal. They're providing a free service, it looks like it's only there when you're not video chatting, it uses real estate that isn't already used, and (at least the first version) only allows silent, non-expanding ads.
However with the gradual approach, you probably won't get that dramatic shedding of weight some people talk about. I don't care about that, personally, because I get enough satisfaction out of steady progress and make a game out of optimizing my diet with delicious yet low/moderate carb food.