francescopace

Author here. Thanks for the interest!

Multiple people moving: The system detects "motion presence" rather than counting individuals. With multiple people, CSI variance increases, so detection works well. Distinguishing how many people would require ML (on the roadmap).

Detection latency: The algorithm processes each packet in real-time (~10ms @ 100 pkt/s), so detection is essentially instant. The default Home Assistant publish rate is 1 second to avoid flooding the event bus, but it's fully configurable via publish_interval.

Accuracy vs traditional sensors: See PERFORMANCE.md in the repo for detailed benchmarks.

Main advantages over PIR: no line-of-sight needed (Wi-Fi passes through walls) and no dead zones.

Happy to answer more questions!

On the critical topic of Mesh Routers and Roaming, a possible solution is to force the ESP32 to hook onto the MAC address of a single Access Point, as discussed here:

https://github.com/francescopace/espectre/discussions/6

Thanks for the insights Quinnjh! Would love to hear more about your invisible strings tuning system!

The ESP32-S3 extracts a moving variance signal from spatial turbulence (updates at 20-50 Hz), and I want to map this directly to audio frequency using a passive buzzer + PWM (square wave, 200-2000 Hz range).

Two quick questions:

1. Do you see any pitfalls with updating PWM frequency at 20-50 Hz for responsive theremin-like behavior?

2. Any recommendations on mapping strategies - linear, logarithmic (musical scale), or quantized to specific notes?

Thank you 4goturnamesagain.

My first step is to 'listen' to the raw channels and features to quickly find which mapping produces the most musically coherent (i.e., clean and physically predictable) output.

If it sounds like white noise, the mapping is bad or the signal is artifact.

If it sounds like a sine wave moving predictably, the physics are sound.

That's a great thought. The challenge is that Wi-Fi sensing (CSI) is measuring multipath changes across a few meters, not direct motion in a small volume like Leap Motion. I think its accuracy is measured in centimeters, not sub-millimeters.

Thanks for sharing the paper; I'll certainly be taking a look at that research!

Currently, ESPectre performs only binary motion detection (IDLE/MOTION) based on simple statistical thresholding.

It cannot ignore cats or prioritize size over speed directly on the device, but ESPectre's architecture is designed to enable this kind of advanced classification externally.

It collects a rich set of pre-processed features (spatial turbulence, entropy, etc.) and transmits them via MQTT.

Any external server (like a Home Assistant add-on or a dedicated Python script) can use these features as the input for a trained ML model to perform classification (e.g., Cat vs. Human vs. Fall detection vs. Gesture detection).

Regardin Ruckus Router / Beamforming: for CSI sensing, stability is generally more important than raw power. I recommend starting by disabling beamforming or reducing the power output if you experience poor motion sensitivity, as the stability of the ESP32 receiver is often the bottleneck.

Mike, thank you so much! Coming from the founder of TOMMY, that means a lot.

I completely respect the way you've managed the beta community and licensing; it’s a smart way to reward early supporters and foster user engagement.

I wish you and the TOMMY project continued success as well!

The project’s open-source nature acts as an ethical safeguard, and I am explicitly not pursuing any identity recognition features, just movement detection.

But you are absolutely right that, in theory, misuse of this technology could reveal certain behavioral patterns that might lead to identification.

However, it can also be extremely useful for safety purposes, for example, detecting people during a house fire or an earthquake.

You hit the nail on the head! That's precisely the motivation.

Having two kids myself, I've thought of turning it into a game: blindfolded hide-and-seek where the pitch of the Wi-Fi Theremin tells the seeker how close they are to the 'signal disruption' of the other person. It's essentially a real-time sonar game!

The final statistic I threshold is the Moving Variance of Spatial Turbulence.

The decision is a binary comparison: When moving_variance > threshold then MOTION state (movement detected) else IDLE state.

The features are extracted only during MOTION segments (to save CPU cycles) and published via MQTT.

They serve as rich foundation data for potential external ML models (e.g., to capture nuances like gestures, running, or falling), but they are absolutely not used for the core segmentation decision itself.

Are you using two separate S3s as a dedicated Transmitter/Receiver pair, or are both transmitting data simultaneously?

Hahaha, I love your brain!

The price difference can vary wildly by region, but €10 is still super cheap compared to a dedicated presence sensor!

Regarding the chip recommendation, it’s a classic trade-off:

ESP32-S3: This is what I mainly recommend today. It gives you more raw processing power (dual-core), which is great for managing the OS, MQTT, and the CSI analysis without hiccups.

ESP32-C6: I just ordered a C6 myself to run extensive tests! The C6 might have a superior quality Wi-Fi module and better internal CSI extraction capabilities due to hardware improvements.

That's a fair point, and as a math graduate, I absolutely agree that ML is fundamentally applied math.

When I say 'No ML,' I mean there is no training phase, no labeled data needed, and no neural network model used to infer the rules.

The distinction here is that all the logic is based purely on signal processing algorithms.

Thanks for raising the point!

Fun fact: I’m working on turning ESPectre into a Wi‑Fi Theremin (the musical instrument you play by moving your hands near an antenna).

The idea of “playing” by simply moving around a room sounds a bit ridiculous… but also kind of fun.

The key is the Moving Variance of the spatial turbulence: this value is continuous and stable, making it perfect for mapping directly to pitch/frequency, just like the original Theremin. Other features can be mapped to volume and timbre.

It’s pure signal processing, running entirely on the ESP32. Has anyone here experimented with audio synthesis or sonification using real-time signal processing?

Interesting note, I actually disabled promiscuous mode after some testing because it made the CSI signal noisier and consumed more resources. I found that normal station mode with pings to gateway gave me cleaner, more predictable CSI data. But your MAC filtering approach might mitigate those issues!

You're spot on about the MVS approach. It's essentially a sliding window variance of the spatial turbulence (std dev across subcarriers), with adaptive thresholding based on the moving variance of that signal.

If you're interested in the MVS details, I wrote a free Medium article that walks through the segmentation algorithm step-by-step with visualizations. Links are in the README.

Your approach is actually quite similar to what I'm doing, just in a different order:

- My flow: Raw CSI → Segmentation (MVS) → Filters (Butterworth/Wavelet/Hampel/SG) → Feature extraction

- Your flow: Raw CSI → EWMA de-meaning → Dimensionality reduction → Feature extraction

The main difference is that I segment first to separate IDLE from MOTION states (keeping segmentation on raw, unfiltered CSI to preserve motion sensitivity), then only extract features during MOTION (to save CPU cycles).

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback! Always great to exchange notes with someone who's been in the trenches with CSI signal processing

It really depends on the environment: wall materials, interference, signal strength, and even temperature and humidity all play a role. Honestly, 100 m² is probably too large for a single sensor to cover reliably.

That said, ESP32 boards are very inexpensive, you can find them online for around €1 or even less.

Sure, the ESP32 will connect to whichever mesh node provides the best 2.4 GHz signal

- It monitors CSI from that specific node (the one it's associated with)

- If the ESP32 roams to a different mesh node, it will start monitoring CSI from the new node

The system doesn't care about the router's internal mesh topology, it just needs a stable connection to receive CSI data from the associated access point.

Hi kristianpaul, this is Francesco Pace, the author of the project (ESPectre).

Thank you so much for sharing my repository truly appreciate you giving it an early signal boost!

I just posted an official Show HN for the project (titled 'Show HN: ESPectre – Motion detection based on Wi-Fi spectre analysis') and am actively answering all technical questions there.

Cheers!

Yes, you’re both correct:

You need one sensor for each area you want to monitor independently. With devices more capable than the ESP32‑S3, the coverage would likely be greater.

The ESP32‑C6, in particular, offers significantly better performance. Check out this comparison video from Espressif: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjdpzM6zVJ8

Tommysense creates a sensing mesh between devices, while ESPectre uses your existing Wi-Fi router as the transmitter. As a result, ESPectre needs only one device per area but requires a compatible router with solid 2.4 GHz coverage. The overall goal is similar, but ESPectre is open-source!

ESPectre takes a different architectural approach that might address some of the challenges you encountered:

1. Instead of STA/AP mode on a single ESP32, ESPectre uses the natural traffic between your existing router and an ESP32-S3 in station mode. To ensure a stable, continuous CSI packet rate, I implemented a traffic generator that sends ICMP pings to the gateway at a configurable rate (default: 20 pps). This provides bidirectional traffic (request + reply) that reliably triggers CSI generation, giving you predictable packet timing without relying on ambient network traffic or special sniffing modes.

2. Rather than applying filters directly to raw CSI, ESPectre uses Moving Variance Segmentation (MVS) on unfiltered spatial turbulence (std dev of subcarrier amplitudes).

3. The filters are applied to features, not to the segmentation signal itself. This preserves motion sensitivity while cleaning up the feature data

I found that having a stable transmitter (the router) combined with controlled traffic generation provides more consistent multipath patterns and predictable CSI timing, which makes the segmentation more reliable.