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1. Males who identify as women are a heterogenous group that mostly consist of those who have not undergone the 'whole transition' (by which I assume you mean the cosmetic surgery on their genitals, alongside long-term hormonal intervention), with a significant proportion having no intention of doing so. Notably this group includes many males who do not pass as women at all, and who do not seem to put much effort into achieving that aim. Yet still insist that they should have access to women's single-sex spaces based on their 'gender identity'.
2. Women's bathrooms aren't the only single-sex space that males who identify as women desire to enter. Others include: prisons, locker rooms, refuges from domestic abuse and sexual violence, nude spas, sports competitions, support groups for issues that only apply to the female body like pregnancy, menstruation and menopause. Essentially any single-sex space may be coveted by these males.
3. It isn't sufficient to consider this issue only from the perspective of these males and the fulfillment of their desires. The women who these single-sex spaces are actually intended for, and who need these spaces for various reasons including safety, dignity and privacy, must be recognised too, and really should be the group centred in any discussion of this.
Also regarding the objection to 'misgendering': this is another example of how women's spaces are imposed upon by these males. In this case, attempting to occupy the same linguistic space, and by doing so, removing language that may be used to distinguish them in discussions such as this.
The criticism is this: a woman's right to a single-sex spaces cannot co-exist with the desire of a male to enter these spaces based on his claims of 'gender identity'. When the desires of the latter are prioritised above the needs of the former, this causes actual harm.
The brain scan research, like the paper you cited, seeks neural correlates for a very strong desire to be the opposite sex, such a strong desire that the subject seeks medical treatment to change their appearance - which isn't really the same thing as having a 'gender identity'. Interestingly, homosexuality is also linked to sex-atypical brain structures, and in studies where this factor is controlled for, the structural differences seen in brains of gender dysphorics all but disappear. Curiously, what is seen instead are alterations in brain networks that mediate body perception, somewhat like what is seen in anorexics (though, by contrast, we don't label them as having a dissonant 'size identity' or anything like that).
I see women's rights as being distinct from and in conflict with 'trans rights', and don't really understand what you mean when you say they are the same on an ideological and philosophical level - could you explain further please?
That commenter above that you refer to is quite simply incorrect. I suspect he's not read any of her work and is speaking only from artefacts of his own imagination.
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1488064619428122625
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1496033865047150593
- https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1659205823565008897
And in her book, mostly relating to category eligibility policy in competitive sports. Also in some interviews, along the same lines as the above.
That's not what she is saying at all.