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emersionon How to get root on Ubuntu 20.04 by pretending nobody’s /home

This was maybe an issue back in the day but should be fixed now. logind has a PrepareForSleep event and a lock mechanism to let the lock screen show up before the machine goes to sleep.

emersionon No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

This means you're no longer producing open-source software. You're now producing proprietary software.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

https://cmpwn.com/@sir/105097280819605590

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

> Power user functionality like copy paste on the other hand? https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/4007 might want to pray before using that.

Come on.

Congratulations, you've found the only opened bug report about clipboard on Sway/wlroots. It's triggered by edge cases (X11 client hanging + fcitx apparently), and most of it has been fixed already.

Are you really trying to convince people that the clipboard is broken on Wayland with this? Maybe you could start by actually trying Wayland.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

>as the platform under it (the hardware, the kernel, etc.) changes to the point that it becomes non-functional.

The kernel has a pretty strong backwards-compatibility stance, so you'd need to wait a long time.

Nobody stops you from running an outdated and insecure distribution to use X11 (in this hypothetical future). Nobody stops you from patching X11 to support newer interfaces.

If you want to stick with X11, you can. Nobody urges you to upgrade.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Yup, the thing is called the wayland-protocols repository.

emersionon Graphical User Interface Using Flutter in Embedded Systems [pdf]

> it's not terribly complicated to pass exclusive access to display across processes.

You're just starting to re-invent the Wayland protocol. You need to pass input too… and more of Wayland re-invented.

>desktop environments are huge

Weston or Cage doesn't really qualify as huge.

Also, I think you underestimate the work to write a program using KMS and libinput. It's pretty easy to write a toy app, but writing a solid framework is something else.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Nvidia still doesn't implement the de-facto standard API used by everybody else (GBM).

emersionon Graphical User Interface Using Flutter in Embedded Systems [pdf]

>Embedded doesn’t need wayland nor X.org

It depends. In this particular case, the demo seems to contain a launcher which allows to start multiple apps and switch between them. A window manager sounds preferable in this case.

Also, Flutter handles all of the Wayland/X11 implementation details. In this case it's less work to just use the already-existing backend.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

KDE and Mir already implement some wlroots protocols. We (wlroots) try to get as many compositors as possible on board.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Yes, Xwayland lets users run X11 applications inside Wayland compositors.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

The compositor I maintain (Sway) has continuous integration for FreeBSD.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

The people who take decisions can take decisions because they contributed a lot to the project. If you want to take decisions too, there's no need to be part of a big company, all you need is getting involved.

The ecosystem is still powered by the community. I see a lot of patches coming from hobbyists in many related projects.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

That's what wayland-protocols [1] is for.

[1]: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

>If I install some distro, Arch say, and I wanted to use Sway, and I then want to run Kile, will Kile then run through XWayland?

Kile seems to use Qt5, so should work without Xwayland.

> Will it work just as well as Kile on KDE Neon?

It should, yes. I don't use Kile though, so I haven't checked.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Nobody is forcing you to use Wayland. Nobody is arguing that X.org's server will disappear from the face of the earth.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

> Those users are the target market that those companies are interested in pleasing.

Not really, no. My company (SourceHut) has nothing to do with Wayland and is just sponsoring me for working on open-source software (_any_ open-source software). A few other developers are working for Collabora, which mainly focuses on Wayland for embedded use-cases. So, none of these companies have a real interest in pleasing desktop users.

Regardless, it doesn't mean that I personally don't care about my users, or that I want to fight against them. It's just that if you don't like something, you need to step up and do something about it to improve the situation, instead of just complaining.

Maintainers are scarce.

> it’s possible that […] your work makes the world a worse place

Always great to hear that…

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Correction: on my compositor and all compositors implementing the protocols wlroots pushes forward. This includes Sway, but also all wlroots-based compositors, and for some protocols also KDE and Mir.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Shortcut keys are configured in the compositor, and screenshots/screencasts work in a cross-compositor fashion via xdg-desktop-portal.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

Not really. There are hundreds of contributors not paid by anyone. Until 1 year ago I wasn't paid for my Wayland-related work. I'm now very lucky to have a company sponsor my contributions, but that's far from being the case of everybody.

Even if all developers were paid, they wouldn't be paid _by users_. It means the developers don't owe the users anything.

emersionon On Abandoning the X Server

I can find Wayland equivalents for my compositor for all of these tools:

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide#commo...

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

"Wayland" is just the protocol, can you give more details about your setup? For instance, GNOME is more heavyweight than say Sway (and gives a more feature-ful and eye-candy user experience in return).

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

You can thank Zoom for using the proprietary GNOME D-Bus API instead of xdg-desktop-portal. (And you can also thank Zoom for being bad in general, I guess.)

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

Yeah, the KMS docs need some love. I'm trying to help with that. But note that even with EGLStreams you'd still be using KMS. And GBM's API is pretty small, basically just gbm_bo_import/gbm_bo_create/gbm_bo_get_*.

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

I'm a wlroots developer, and I'm using an old Sandybridge mobile i5 CPU daily. So I'm pretty surprised about this. I'd be interested in a bug report if you were to try again.

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

This talk "The Real Story Behind Wayland and X" by Daniel Stone (a longtime X developer) may debunk some misconceptions in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44

emersionon The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/

emersionon Mailgo, a new concept of mailto and tel links

Not declarative, which means users would need to know they have to go to settings and enable it.

emersionon Mailgo, a new concept of mailto and tel links

Would be better solved with a user-agent implementation I think. Let local apps and webmails advertise support for mailto links, make the user-agent display a dialog and let the user pick one.

We're almost there, the only issue is that there's no declarative way to advertise support for mailto links, webmails need to ask the user.