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This is how the conversation went down:
Glenn Greenwald: "Ellsberg: "There has not been in US history a more important leak than Snowden's –and that definitely includes Pentagon Papers 40 years ago""
Twitter User: "@ggreenwald Sorry, a year from now we'll be snoozing about this. Not against you, just tired of your self-promotion."
Glenn Greenwald: "@TerenceBegleyNJ You have no idea what is coming; and I'm promoting the leaks, not myself"
In my opinion, he makes a lot of good points in it.
"If, as NSA (and Silicon Valley) defenders claim, Prism is nothing more than a harmless little drop-box mechanism for delivering to the government what these companies were already providing, why would Yahoo possibly be in court so vigorously resisting it and arguing that it violates their users' Fourth Amendment rights? Similarly, how could it possibly be said - as US government officials have - that Prism has been instrumental in stopping terrorist plots if it did not enhance the NSA's collection capabilities? The denials from the internet companies make little sense when compared to what we know about the program. At the very least, there is ample reason to demand more disclosure and transparency about exactly what this is and what data-access arrangements they have agreed to."
[1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-part...
"Ellsberg: "There has not been in US history a more important leak than Snowden's –and that definitely includes Pentagon Papers 40 years ago""
Ellsberg sounds very definitive on the importance of the Snowden's information. I wonder if Greenwald has shown him information that the general public hasn't seen yet.
"With the prebate program in effect, those earning less than $15,000 per year would see their share of the federal tax burden drop from -0.7 percent to -6.3 percent. Of course, if the poorest Americans are paying less under the FairTax plan, then someone else pays more. As it turns out, according to the Treasury Department, “someone else” is everybody earning between $15,000 and $200,000 per year. The chart below compares the share of the federal tax burden for different income groups under the current system and under the FairTax. Those in the highest and the lowest brackets will see their share decrease, while everyone else will see their share of taxes increase."
http://www.amazon.com/Python-Kids-Playful-Introduction-Progr...
No they didn't.
"The Guardian has not revised any of our articles and, to my knowledge, has no intention to do so. That's because we did not claim that the NSA document alleging direct collection from the servers was true; we reported - accurately - that the NSA document claims that the program allows direct collection from the companies' servers. Before publishing, we went to the internet companies named in the documents and asked about these claims. When they denied it, we purposely presented the story as one of a major discrepancy between what the NSA document claims and what the internet companies claim, as the headline itself makes indisputably clear:"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-part...
It's common for 3 letter agencies to set up a corporation to handle their dirty work. I wonder if a front organization would be considered a government entity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_organization#Intelligence...
tptacek: "Someone on Twitter (sorry) said that Google and Facebook "looked like angels" compared to Verizon. That sounds about right to me, too."
"The highly detailed NSA technical materials on how they eavesdrop, that I have & am not publishing." [1]
"You won't - it contains very specific technical NSA means for collection - we'd probably be prosecuted if we did." [2]
"There are all sorts of secrets I have I'm not publishing - it's public interest v. harm analysis at the heart of journalism." [3]
[1] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/343470800784982016
[2] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/343454484917280770
[3] https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/343453682387542016