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econ··on The last time my family was replaced by technology
Okay, I'll write one for you...

https://soj.ooo/p/positivevibesonly/post/f467feb1453208a492d...

econ··on The smart home graveyard is getting crowded
If one took extra care to wire everything properly one could close the door and leave knowing it would just work until the contacts are black. Even then, wobbling the switch up and down is likely to buy at least a decade of use. The plastic might turn crispy in 100 years.

We put everything in pipes in the Netherlands. If you don't bend them in absurd corners and properly fasten them one can also replace the wires and switches without opening up the wall.

Then came the flimsy IoT wanting to be part of the installation but it should really be a disposable plug and play component that is easy to replace like a lightbulb.

It should use switching wires where possible, Ethernet as a second choice, then Bluetooth and finally wifi if non of the above satisfy the req.

For renovation you often have no choice but new houses entirely depending on wifi and flimsy IoT seems only worth it if it really saves a lot of money.

econ··on Meta Blocks President Lula's Facebook Page, Campaign Ads 2 Weeks from Election
I suspect they are working on the edge where limited data makes the subjects more interesting.
econ··on Mercury 2.5 LLM hits 770 tokens per second
Would have made a nice local tool.
econ··on Why is Hacker News like that?
I see a futuristics ban on twitter where the reason stated was that user got grok to say something obvious.

Like Facebook (but worse) they barely allow users to interact. The primary goal is to build profiles for other purposes.

econ··on Attention is all you have
Users have to see the value of it. Some never grow up to organize their things but we can do a lot automatically. I think as the volume of things grows you first want

- a flat list of items, then you want - folders (or categories), beyond that you want - tag clouds, beyond those you want - keyword and strong search, beyond that you want - natural language queries.

Or any combination of those.

(There are more ways to organize/sort but I either don't know where to put them or they serve a specific type of data. I like the file system representation where each file and folder is a box the size of its size.)

Doing some of it by hand allows a workshop with more tools while preserving sanity.

The actual goal is actually really simple. There clearly is an agenda to get rid of any and all user generated media asap. Anything that works in the opposite direction will help reclaim the users executive function.

When creating a software or other products I always jokingly ask myself what kind of people I want to target and what I want to make them into. The joke is the limited room.

Building your own library should obviously be more awesome than borrowing. It might take the user a decade to see it but when they are old those child hood activities are a joy to be reminded of.

econ··on Attention is all you have
Alternatively we can have a committee distribute attention over things that are useful to the country/humanity/the economy etc.(can't think of the right word) Say, if someone next door is looking for an employee with exactly your expertise and experience and they are willing to pay for it the job offer is worthy of being at the top of your feed.

That the person might not like seeing the perfect offer is less important than filling the hole in the economy.

econ··on Attention is all you have
The Mosaic browser (1993) had full text history search.

We then got a bookmark system that was every bit as terrible as a web directory.

It stayed that way. The delicious search revenue made organizing websites uninteresting. That obscure website you enjoyed a decade ago but don't even remember, they had lots of traffic like you. No point updating or keeping it online. You can't have rss in Firefox but here is a Facebook like button in your address bar in stead.

I've tried to maintain the bookmark menu but I rarely use it since everything is dead. Why aren't browsers storing a text version of the bookmark? Did people in 1993 have more resources than us? Should I be afraid it grows to a few GB over the decades?

A good few dead websites have a backup some place but there is no automation to find it. If you had a string of text from a page you might be able to search for it. If the page found is highly similar we might automate the process to have alternative location for bookmarks with a nice warning dialog.

econ··on Attention is all you have
That is exactly what the article is about.
econ··on Measure internet censorship
The only good clue I have for a new or modified system is that it has to be simple enough for the voter to understand it. The single transferable vote is technically great but the name doesn't explain how it works. You have to make up for that with education (which seems doable)

I wonder how similar the result would be if the voter could cast one vote for something and one against. This seems less complex.

It has other advantages. A large election budget shouldn't automatically convert to votes. Doing a pis poor job should probably cost more than a few votes.

econ··on Measure internet censorship
Do you think improvement is possible?
econ··on Measure internet censorship
I'm just playing with the puzzle. It's not like I deeply thought about it and this was my conclusion.

Votes per period might not work. You could in stead accumulate votes over time.

Of course the proposals could repeatedly go against a specific group. Not sure if you could create a unit of accounting for it or have some kind of independent jury examine the gaming.

I also wondered if the price could scale with the % victory. Like, if 100% votes A it costs zero votes. 51% would be the most expensive.

Maybe give the proposal makers a bunch of tokens, filling a proposal costs x, each vote against it costs y.

The core thought is basically, if people are overly attached to something they will get it but will have reduced influence on everything else.

econ··on Measure internet censorship
Then, with the same stroke of the pen you gave the proverbial Hitler lover the means to purge the proverbial Jew or Palestinian.

That one can only do it within reddit is of course merely a technical limitation. The idea can be implemented much more broadly.

econ··on Measure internet censorship
The normal approach is to compromise across topics.

Maybe one should have a finite number of winning votes in a period. Then the majority might want something (or not want) but wouldn't consider it important enough to spend their vote on.

I think that would reduce the sense of urgency where there is non, equalize involvement, foster debate with the barely involved and ofc create a focus on things one wants rather than things one doesn't want.

Who knows, maybe one should be able to spend more than one vote per topic.

econ··on The Return of Sail Power: Cargo Ships Are Turning Back to the Wind
We should first build the floating cities. Some old ships welded together surrounded by styrofoam in nets with mud on top and Mangroves, lots of Mangroves... Neptune's park.
econ··on The Return of Sail Power: Cargo Ships Are Turning Back to the Wind
There is another niche if you make them several miles long and width. Then can use more conventional construction materials like a concrete shell. (We are of course not ready for that)
econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
It is giving me 1+ hour ads now based on my view history (I think) and it is actually hilarious. I've watched two till the end. To keep someone engaged for that long you better bring something interesting to the table.
econ··on Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously
We need enough slop to create that market.

If you already had a hand crafted codebase, a ton of miles on it, no real issue for a long time and customers who value some metric of quality then it might be worth crafting things by hand — if only for the bragging.

econ··on A beginning for mathematics
Imagine, eventually, a large ever growing library full of unread books. One could roam around forever and discover new things.

Might be possible to generate a 3d world using some taxonomy estimate the amount of titles and generate the books as the area is explored.

Like the manuscripts in Sakya Monastery in Tibet and like the millions(?) of cuneiform clay tablets. Vast amounts of data that may contain information.

econ··on Why is Google still serving dodgy ads?
Today search results are a page full of ads. They can't get away with that unless they completely corner down the LLM market.

I forget the name but I see one LLM chatbox that looked like one of those old world news media websites plastered from top to bottom with jumpy obnoxious ads. It did offer some good models for free. I honestly might even consider using it if I could remember what it was called.

If they turned Gemini into that today I think people would just laugh, shake their head and close the app.

econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
I want to see and feel the product. Nowadays mostly to see how bad it is.
econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
Sometimes they put one at the start then again 1.5 min into a video and again around 4 minutes. If I don't skip them I may not even remember what the video was about.
econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
I could call them, tell them I see their ad, ask questions then call again and again and again and again. I just read one may call a company as often as one wants.
econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
I couldn't imagine someone running campaign like that intentionally but it's apparently cheap to do so. 20 minutes of my time is apparently worth 3 cent. Those 5 hours watching the same ad again and again probably cost the spammer 2 euro.

It's not fraud, more like a cheap ass dystopia. It's some how worse than HP and MS combined.

> ..unless the videos were a distraction, not a real goal of yours.

You are not wrong but all work and no play... I will seek entertainment elsewhere. My apologies in advance HN :-)

econ··on I spent $220 on Google app ads and 60% of the installs were robots
You had huge click farms back in the days.

Today the fraud is perhaps more obvious. YT has served me the same 20 min ad 200+ times over the last few weeks. I let the entire thing play 10 times and 50 times didn't press skip for the first minute (or the view doesn't count) It's so annoying Ive reduced video watching by 80-90%

The idea they have someone pay for this in the hope I will buy the product?

Or do people really intentionally run campaigns like that?

econ··on Kenyans Did College Students' Homework for Years. Then A.I. Arrived
I had to much great stuff of my own to think about. Made great effort keeping their earthly matters out of my head. I could see how others changed into one of them which for many was an improvement.

Ill do an example from a few days ago: Most are familiar with noticing someone is looking at you. I've forged many jokes involving that effect. It is real beyond a shadow of a doubt.

In previous experiments I learn that people can feel someone looking at a security monitor. If multiple people look at the screen with intend the subject looks around him paranoid and can't properly play pool anymore.

The new discovery: I was on my laptop at 2am and suddenly I feel eyes. I turn my head and look at the security camera. When someone opens the app the camera makes a clicking sound. I didn't hear any clicking but I felt someone was looking. The GF was asleep so it wasn't her.

In the morning she opened the app, swiped the timeline to some random spot and looked what I was doing. To her surprise I immediately looked over my shoulder straight at her. She asked me what sinister thing I was up to looking at the camera like that.

It apparently works across time!

econ··on Kenyans Did College Students' Homework for Years. Then A.I. Arrived
We made grids of tiny dots on an eraser, so tiny a grownup couldn't really see it.

End of the year a teacher asked how we did it. He knew our answers were the same, he put us far apart, he watched us the whole time every test, the whole year.

We asked for an eraser then someone "random" would throw it then asked for it te be returned when they needed it again.

I pointed at a tiny dot on the eraser. Roughly 3x2 mm. There, that was the last test. He couldn't see it.

econ··on Feeling Sad about AI
Deletionists have been circling html since the beginning and have only managed to get rid of document.writeln() they tried really hard to get rid of framesets but ultimately failed.

I suspect in the long run a similar lack of "success" getting rid of Apache.

There are probably other things that are here to stay.

econ··on Ask HN: Can we please limit the AI news flood?
In the old days we had this thing called a redaction. It was like a dungeon master vs playing the same hardcoded level again and again. Had one suggested automating it back then even the greatest optimist wouldn't see how you replace [say] Stephen King with a calculator but here we are - true believers.
econ··on If coding is solved, what now?: Measuring the sloppiness of code
I'm definitely not experienced enough to know but I read people are having it write somewhat elaborate documentation beforehand. Have it figure out which parts of the code may be touched, what other things will be affected and which uncertainties it has. Basically a full report before giving permission for any code to be written/modified. Again, I haven't seen it, don't know how common this is nor how effective. Though it sounded interesting.
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