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But it was very much on topic.
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But it was very much on topic.
Ironic, given the topic of this post....
What problem? Most of the 'problems' Americans talk about when referring to Iran is just the justifications fed to them by Israel.
>Britain is on the brink of falling to hostile Islamists
Ahh, I think I see where you're coming from.
>Congratulations. Free Palestine.
There it is!
Am Yisrael Lie!
How they did that was violent: fact.
How they maintain this is violent and illegal: fact.
Therefore to be a Zionist today, means that you agree with the apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and the Jewish ethno-supremacist state to stay the course for Zionists to continue to have their own land. Therefore, you support war crimes and mass killings of Palestinians.
Now do let me know if there are Zionists that have a different view on things. But from my research and discussions with Zionists, I've never met a Zionist that does not believe that Jews should not have, and should not continue to, have their own state in the Middle East where Palestinians previously lived.
They get dogs to rape palestinian hostages.
Then Israeli citizens PROTEST because they want the soldiers to have the right to rape.
A sick society.
You may have issues with Prophet Muhammad marrying someone at the age of 9. I think the historical context and reasoning has been covered multiple times in other platforms so I won't repeat myself here.
In the same breath, will you acknowledge the rape of children that occurs by Israelis to Palestinian children? Israel is now known as a pedo haven.
Israeli prison guards rape Palestinian hostages, sometimes even getting dogs to rape them.
Will you denounce these?
What does it say? And provide sources.
I know there are various sects of Islam, and some extremist groups that claim to align to Islam, but their actions go against the teachings of Islam. Just like there are extremist groups within Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc. I don't claim that those minorities represent the whole.
Zionism, on the other hand, I have not seen any founding documents that go against my assertions that it is a violent ideology simply because achieving the aims of Zionism requires there to be ethnic cleansing and/or genocide to carry out its goals. The founding fathers also knew this to be the case (refer another comment of mine below).
I mean, here's a piece from Bari Weiss, a modern day Jewish journalist, justifying why killing children is a necessary 'burden' for Zionists to achieve its goal:
"The results of this mess, as always, are especially bad for the Palestinians who live under Hamas rule. Casualty reports are hard to verify because Hamas controls the media (even the international press) inside the Gaza Strip, but it appears that more than 50 Palestinians have been killed. Some of these people are entirely innocent non-combatants, including children. This is an unspeakable tragedy. It is also one of the unavoidable burdens of political power, of Zionism's dream turned into the reality of self-determination."
I have never seen (or heard of) a Zionist that doesn't think Jews should live on a piece of land in the Middle East.
You can try and intellectually criss cross all you want, but the reality is always there: Zionism is a supremacist ideology that used violence to achieve its aims.
> Lots of options!
See, you couldn't even be intellectually honest and state the option Zionists did use!
It's not me being trope-y, it's just you trying to deflect and defend this horrid ideology.
> stroking the egos of folks who turned this into their pet discussion topic
I'm sorry that talking about, and advocating for, people that are being massacred today is a 'pet discussion topic'.
Looking back, it just reads as sinophobic.
You literally said "These aren't coherent organisations, just loose collections of aligned folks."
The Israeli government isn't a 'loose collection of aligned folks'
AIPAC isn't a 'loose collection of aligned folks'
Jewish National Fund isn't a 'loose collection of aligned folks'
> I haven't seen this. But I also haven't seen anyone argue this properly. Instead it's always this "I have secret knowledge" nonsense.
You might be out of your depth here, then. I'd suggest you do some reading before trying to argue your points here, because you're not doing a good job of it.
> in anything but its aim of establishing a Jewish nation-state
And what does it take for a peoples to establish their own 'Jewish nation-state' on a bit of land that had people living there already? Hint: you could quote David Ben-Gurion's own words. I'll start it off for you:
"The Arabs will need to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war" - David Ben-Gurion, writing to his son, 1937
"In internal discussions, in instructions to his people, the 'Old Man' demonstrated a clear stand: it was better that the smallest possible number of Arabs remain within the area of the state" - Michael Bar-Zohar, biographer of David Ben-Gurion
"I am for compulsory transfer. I do not see anything immoral in it." - David Ben-Gurion to the Jewish Agency Executive, June 1938.
"Every attack has to end with occupation, destruction and expulsion." - David Ben-Gurion.
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"I don't understand your optimism," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? if I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out."
- The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldmann
I wonder what the underlying ideology of Zionism is that makes these Zionist organisations all act in the same way, for the same cause.
It seems you don't know what Zionism is, or just purposely deflecting because you do know what it is, but carrying out Hasbara here.
Yeah, there aren't any coherent organisations that claim to be Zionist. There's no state in the Middle East born from this ideology. There aren't political organisations that bribe US politicians to influence US government. There aren't organisations that hose real estate meetings in Synagogues to sell illegal lands for people to make Aliyah.
Definitely just a loose collection of aligned folks. Yep.
Quote tweeting a NYTimes post detailing war crimes "As Israeli forces entered Gaza on Friday to fight Hamas, phone and internet service was severed for 34 hours. Most people in Gaza had no way to reach the outside world..."
Gruber wrote "F*k around and find out."
Quote tweeting a post by the UN Human Rights account about Israel's flooding of tunnels with saltwater could have severe adverse human rights impacts,
Gruber wrote "One side is pumping salt water into the tunnels. The other side has put innocent civilian women and children hostages in the tunnels. Also: "salt water" has a space when used as a noun"
Quote tweeting a post by a StopAntisemitism page that posted about 'pro-Palesinian agitators showed up to secreteary of Defence Lloyd Austin's home..."
Gruber wrote "These people are surely a lot of fun at parties"
Gruber is a big fan of collective punishment, it seems. But at least he's very specific about the use of grammar.
I'm building an app that could do with this live feed if it's easily available.