dplesh

This kind of behavior has a scent of oligarchy..

What happened to regular voting? Why is lobbying still a thing? Aren't our votes enough for shaping policies? Do policymakers prefer the lobbying dance for some reason?

I feel that its related to a matter I started to notice lately. Its about social grounding and its importance.

Without appropriate social interaction - meeting people, chatting, discussing or arguing, an individual might find themself in somewhat of an echo chamber.

Naturally we form our perspectives from various observations, assumptions and speculations. Some of them can be somewhat disconnected from reality, or even unhinged. An individual without sufficient social grounding might absorb these unhinged/unhealthy perspectives as solid life structures. A negative mental or emotional charge might build up as a result.

I also encountered such 'echo chamber' within isolated couples - they are somewhat distant from friends, family and colleagues so they don't meet other people too much, or at least don't give their inputs much importance, disregarding their opinions. It can actually be a healthy distancing in case friends or family are toxic. But the echo chamber effect applies nonetheless. Its different from the 'sticky couple' dynamic. Its more about how diverse are the ideas and opinions you hear and trade, and depends on your mind flexibility - it doesn't require much of it, but some people have no self criticism ability at all. On the other end we have the 'over self critic' who over-intellectualizes and over-complicates their own introspective process. If they do not test their conclusions in real social situations - they might anchor unhealthy takes into their perspective, just like 'no self criticism' individual.

I wonder if it also applies to bigger social structures such as small town communities.

"You need an agent in order to defend your assets from agents!"

As a non-American observer, it does look like America has all of these signs, but you shouldn't forget Fascism is one of the tools, not the goal. I think current administration got the goal correctly to achieve American interests, but their use of Fascism is inherently worrying. Especially when US got a lot of influence on my country, and it seems to me that ever since this administration got the keys, things got good for my country's interests, but not for my country's democracy.

EU people are the poorest people of our world. Living in false pretense of being "free". The fancy pot on this fancy stove took a long time to reach boiling point. So long that the little frog inside did not even notice that it is the main course. Sometimes its too late to jump out of this pot.

Feels like its state vs man nowdays, worldwide. Don't let them mislead you.

I take it as obvious, that all message boards are swarmed with bots of different actors, might it be China, Russia, US, Israel, Turkey

Did you serve in Army? Do you know war from first account? Did your country take part in a war in the last decade? Or is it proxies who fight your wars? Its independence war for Israel everyday since its 1948.

Israel, West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon - all contain a majority/big minority of Palestinians - yet only Israel and Jordan effectively impose law and sovereignty over them.

PA cannot deal with their own radicals. I mean, they actually hand out prizes to shaheed's families. They loves this guerilla war equation. Its good for the Palestinian cause apparently cause they keep doing it for years now.

But somehow no momentum is gained by the Palestinian movement, and nobody dares to suggest its because their head is stuck we-know-where. And this applies to West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon.

Somehow most Israeli Arabs AKA Israeli Palestinians do not have a radical/resentful sentiment towards the Zionist idea. Some even serve in army, or do national service. Some have houses I can dream of. But yeah right, lets blame the Jews.

This picture you paint with big words, holds no grasp in the Middle East reality. Its a Eurocentric perspective, mostly held by people in countries which fight their wars via proxies. Its non pragmatic for Palestinians, and only serves Europeans. As evidence you can see how far the Palestinian cause has progressed in last decades.

But in the early 21st century Europe is currently in the back seat, sits, learns and questions: How does Israeli economy is thriving even though they have so many active conflicts? And I'll answer what you do not even dare to think of: only a righteous cause can fight such war and have the upper hand.

Been on Windows 10 for some years now. I was about to install Ubuntu on an empty partition and start porting my PC to it. Then I saw this article.

I think I'll return to moving my PC to Linux :)

Sad story. War is sad. 2 countries in a war that cannot end otherwise. Its either Palestine or Israel unfortunately. Put your good will and emotions somewhere it can actually make a sensible difference guys

Thats an easy task. You better come up with a calculator of future US economy benefits due to this war.

I'm not even surprised. In any company's lifecycle, at some point, a decision between money and good-will will take place. Good will does not pay salaries. Not in NPOs either btw.

This report is too biased for a critical thinker to change their mind.

Created a new account just to comment on this biased report. Either you a bot or you can't read

I like Forensic Architecture’s work in general and I think this report is valuable as a micro-level reconstruction of a specific incident. That said, I think a lot of the HN discussion is treating it as if it captures the broader complexity of the conflict and I’m not sure thats what it can realistically do, at most, it leaves a lot of room for speculations - speculations which are fed by already existing bias of the reader (or so I see in the comments).

A few gaps that matter if we’re trying to reason beyond the single event:

Framing / conclusion baked in: terms like “executions” and “concealment” may ultimately be correct, but they’re also strong legal/moral claims that can bias interpretation unless the alternative hypotheses are seriously stress-tested. Its a dead giveaway of the writers bias. From this point on it looks like most biased readers do not try to critically tackle the reports claims.

Limited “steelman” of operational context - without full access to military comms, ISR feeds, ROE, intel context, and command decisions in real time, it’s hard to evaluate what soldiers believed they were responding to (even if they were wrong, negligent, or violating orders). Its a known practice that Hamas militants travel undercover using civilian/emergency vehicles - I think its really pathetic this report does not analyze nor even addresses this claim. This is not being objective, and most of you guys here are too critical-thinking to miss this one out (or is it a bot swamp here? i really dont know).

Evidence asymmetry - open-source reconstructions can be rigorous, but they inherently rely on what’s available (videos/audio/witness accounts). That’s different from having the complete internal dataset that would settle key disputes. I know this is the best effort available, but still, it leaves a lot of room for speculation. My expectations of FA were higher than that.

Conflation risk - a brutal case study can be an important data point, but it’s not automatically a comprehensive model of the war or the incentives/constraints on both sides.

“Here’s a detailed claim about what happened at Tel al-Sultan on that night.” would be a correct title for this report.

Curious what you think: what specific pieces of primary data would most change your confidence/speculations here? (e.g., full comms logs, drone video, ROE brief for that unit, chain-of-command timeline, etc.)

propaganda bots are working extra time on this post huh. A decolonization attempt can be skewed into looking like 'oppressing' the colonizers themself. The Internet does not even exist for 30 years and its already such a dangerous weapon of mind destruction

I'm a windows user since I was 5. My favorite OS. both for home and for professional environment. Seems that Windows 11 will be the last Microsoft OS I'll ever use

it goes 'fool me once shame on you..' you know the rest of the sentence

Y'all smart hackers be discussing it like its your life on the line here, but this conflict is of 2 people - Israel vs Palestine, and its an existential conflict for both of us.

This investigation raises concerns that are already voiced by some Israeli groups, but it fails to capture the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. For example, did you know that about 20% of Israel's population are Palestinians, with many living in huge houses, built on their ancestral land, and drive fancy cars that I could never even afford as an Israeli with an average income. (BTW I'm not Jewish but it doesn't really matter for my point.) At the same time their impoverished brothers in Gaza employ warfare methods which were/are also used by ISIS, Taliban, Syria and Iraq. Methods that exploit standard war 'etiquette'. Seemingly, International Court and the UN fail to address such manipulations, which are disregarded by most, to the point its just frustrating to witness.

Gaza has become a nest of extremism. Palestinians are far more united by hate to Israel and desire to revenge rather than nationalism. Its nothing new. Always been and most likely will stay this way. I know that the 2 state solution is the most proposed idea by foreigners for a 'middle east utopia', but this devastating pathos cannot be the foundation for a Palestinian country in a 2 state solution.

I do not know what exactly is the solution. I am most certainly sure it does not include genocide of Palestinians. But what I do know is that they must turn back on extremism, hate and terrorism in order for us to progress towards real peace, healing, and a solution that will grant both people cooperation, trade, prosperity. Judea/Samaria and Gazan Palestinians must learn from their Israeli relatives, to understand that hate, revenge and terror will only lead to more suffering. I think most of Israelis understand it this way. I also think most Israelis are frustrated because of Palestinian ideology and pathos do not shift, but actually escalate with time.

A curious person asked me: 'if they would not yield, can't you guys yield in order for this perpetual escalation to end?' I told him this is a nice idea but meanwhile Israel showed compromises for the Palestinian cause and it backfired each time, with Palestinians exploiting diplomatic attempts in order to incite hate, revenge and devastation: Gaza Disengagement (2005) - Unilateral withdrawal of all settlers and military from the Gaza Strip, dismantling 21 settlements. - Hamas claimed credit for "forcing Israel out", which boosted its popularity. - Within a year, Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections (2006). - After the 2007 Hamas–Fatah split, Hamas took full control of Gaza, and rocket fire into southern Israel intensified.

Oslo Accords (1993–1995) - Israel recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people; withdrew from parts of the West Bank and Gaza; allowed the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA). What actually happened: Israel transferred control of cities like Jericho, Gaza, Ramallah to the PA. But the PA failed to prevent militant groups (Hamas, Islamic Jihad) from launching suicide bombings inside Israel during the 1990s.

Hebron Protocol (1997) - Israel Withdrew from 80% of Hebron, leaving only a small enclave under Israeli military presence. But violence persisted, with shootings and clashes continuing. Hebron became a flashpoint, requiring heavy ongoing Israeli military presence despite partial withdrawal.

Palestinians would argue the “backfire” narrative ignores that these concessions were partial, fragmented, and often unilateral. But actually what it is - a lack of ability to impose sovereignty and excess of corruption in the case of PA. Greed for power and will to exploit any 'gesture of good will' in the case of Hamas. This is not diplomacy. This is not the foundation for the 2 state solution I wish to see someday. They must change in order for it to happen. Death and bloodshed on both sides will only continue if we head this way.

I am curious to hear your take and vision regarding the 2 state solution, and how do you think we can get there?