donkeybeer

Israel and America are the ones who directly invaded Iran during "negotiations". If you want to get at proxies, then again as I said, I would support arming Nicaragua, Venezuela, Cuba, etc with nukes and having them launch them at the USA. If not, then Israel and USA attacked first, Iran hasn't been directly attacking them during this time.

Actual violence is much more antagonizing than mere hurt feelings.

Big scary words are not violence. They can't hurt you. Bombings and invasions that killed people are violence.

The bus supposedly only had Israelis. Israel attacked a neutral country Qatar with a missile to eliminate some supposed enemy agent to a civilian building, so I don't think they have any problems with this.

That's much better then. And I personally am just very wary of any entity claiming they will "just" be a king for a while and cede power given how dictatorial the last pahlavi was.

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The persons you were talking to.

But you brought it up. Nicaragua if we are following the laws of proportionality established by America and Israel in this invasion, Nicaragua alone has the right to level most of the unuted states, and to say nothing of the claims of other south american and middle eastern countries. So personally I'd rather not use the proxy argument unless one is comfortable with the idea of the USA having multiple nukes lobbed at it from all over the world.

Iran presently also isn't trying to Lebensraum "buffer zones" from other countries lands around itself.

Let me summarize the argument more cleanly:

Words are violence!!! Hearing death to America hurt me badly!!

vs actual invasions and bombings of your mainland from two hyperviolent countries with a long history of the same

I am honestly surprised and shocked to admit but Iran is the sanest and least immoral side in this conflict and it's not because my views of Iran improved or changed much. I couldn't imagine I'd be saying such a thing a few years ago.

Strongly disagree with the attack of course but it claims the bus was full of Israelis so it's quite targeted and not against Bulgaria.

Iran if they have any sense should be prepared for a massive self defense and counter attack. "Talks" from the USA and Israel have a precedent of being attacks and invasions.

Eternal youth and experience machines don't seem like problems with any conceptual difficulties. We already know electrical and chemical signals change what the brain perceives and eger6nal youth is no more difficult a concept than making any other form of long lasting machine. Obviously there is a long sequence of research problems to solve in the line but none of it is conceptually impossible or blockaged.

Yes so that was my point, if we can agree that a molecular synthesis of a human being, being a pure naturalistic physical process is as good as any other human then if we assume some aphysical element to consciousness, then we have a purely physical process for achieving a system with aphysicality in it. Which means either its not in fact aphysical or then what, we are left with the quetion at what point during this assembly process this new special aspect arises.

It's my feeling that we are still getting too ahead of ourselves in judging some supernatural element, that it's much like the atomism question in ancient greece. An honest thinker back then could have no really firm reason to support one side over another and they tended toward thesse kinds of endless circular metaphysical discussions. That is until we had further data and observation tools which settled the question experimentally. Juat like certain aspects of consciousness, atomism felt an insolvable question in some ways back then. I feel the problems we will have with consciousness will eventually have a similar fate. This bet has always succeeded for millenia till now.

Proxy is a nice word that's best not brought up or else south America and the middle east deserve to nuke the United states multiple times over.

It isn't different. Much of Iran's conflicts can at least be seen as reactive. The USA and Israel love invading countries unprovoked and on naked lies. Their kill count in illegal and immoral wars far exceeds anyone else. If we want to go that route, just don't, because by that token the entirety of South America must nuke the USA several hundred times.

Israel in any case isn't much better. Random Mileikowskis and Androvich's claiming ancient levantine connections and killing and stealing land over this nonsense.

Another different question to help me understand what you think of this. I think you agree with me, but just to clarify. A human being is independent of the process of creation right? If we created a molecule by molecule synthesis of a human being, you'd agree it is conscious and the same thing as a human created via typical reproduction, right?

And what part remains in that space after we have mapped all the brain signals and configurations corresponding to these feelings, intentions and perceptions? I don't feel the need to bring up absurd unproven concepts without waiting for more data. It'd be like me saying there is something aphysical behind Mercury's orbital perturbations if I were born before SR and GR were discovered (as an example). No point in jumping to such an argument without first exhausting more believable causes first. History is very strongly against any kind of bet in the aphysical.

My question to you would be, what do you think remains that's not a simple natural system if/after something like Neuralink is successfully established?

r/flairedusersonly I mean r/whinysafespacecriers I mean r/hypocrites is up to their usual whining "everyone is a liberal infiltrator" and "clearly trumps just trolling" again:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1sevwz1/trump...

I think we should troll a bit whenever we meet magas with jokes such as "I wish to disembowel trump", "nuke Mar a'lago" and so on I am sure they will take it in the good humor its intended to be.

Could work in cooling the belligerence of Israel too, especially if we can manage to decommission all their nukes in the strike. Don't look at me, you're the one who brought up nuking.

Invading a country unprovoked, launching missiles at schoolgirls is invasion, murder and warcrimes. We don't typically use the word murder for state actors, but letting them use this as a bargaining chip doesn't set a good precedent.

I don't care about hypotheticals, there is already a hyper violent belligerent country in the middle east with a few hundred "illegal" nukes. Their officials/thinkers have already stated insane things about using the nukes on eg innocent European capitals without anyone doing counter clarification or pushback. I'd worry much more about the nukes and fissile materials there.

I think the domino effects of Iran getting nukes would probably be the least worst option. It would cool down Israeli mindless invasions, force the Gulf countries to build their own nukes and stabilize the middle east.

What is the non machine part? What do you believe exists other than chemical and electrical systems?

Edit: If you mean machine in a more colloquial sense that's fine. Let us first get clear if we mean machine in that sense or in sense of any physical mechanism.

If you're not religious, I would like to hear why or how we are not machines.

Also Rage (germany), etc

Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness

Have any of these countries poisoned Israel's farms from the air?

That's a very nice precedent, any country that has IDF soldiers holidaying as tourists must take note. Go and have your legal combat kill of a idf military combatant.

They are free to disagree. America can withdraw anytime it wants. Let Israel fight whoever they want to fight and cry as much about America as they want.