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disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hospit...
disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
What do you mean by this action, specifically? Everything that has been done since March 2020?
disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
How does that have anything to do with the parent comment?
disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
I don’t think most people have an issue with voluntary vaccination. The problem is when nefarious actors use the situation to create a surveillance state, social credit system, and then exclude people from doing simple human things like eating at a restaurant.

Australia is the future of the Western world.

disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
No, it isn’t comparable, because those diseases wiped out 3/4 of the population. That obviously isn’t the case with COVID, even if our terrified-of-everything populace thinks it is.
disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
The fact that this has been divided along sociopolitical lines should make it obvious that neither side is genuinely looking at the issue with clear eyes. It’s entirely tribal, as the comments in this thread illustrate.
disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
So we should mandate everything that saves lives, no matter the cost to freedom or infringing of rights?

This is the issue with technocratic government: zero understanding of anything deeper than “if it works, do it!”

disneygibson··on OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce
Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate.

We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
I think that is probably the best outcome for the US, if it wants to remain as a unified state for a long time. If not, then separatism eventually leads to a divorce. It’s happened before in world history, it can certainly happen again.
disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
My point is more that for somewhat implies exclusion, while by doesn’t.

Restaurant for Italians. Suggests that non-Italians don’t belong here.

Restaurant by Italians. Suggests that Italians make the food here and that it’s not for a particular group.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
This is HN, not Reddit. Snarky one liners aren’t welcome here.

In response to your question, yes I would hope that as Latinos continue to become a larger portion of the population, they join the overall “American” culture and influence it. Not remain as a separate group with a separate language and separate media.

If you look at the statistics, this already happens. Second and third generation Latinos identify more as American than as Latino.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
The entire history of cultures becoming Americanized was not purely an anti-black project. The history of Jews in America is a good example and they were subject to Ivy League quotas well after WW2.
disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Who said anything about it being illegal?

You are being sarcastic and not engaging in good faith.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Your "melting pot" interpretation concretely just means "they should not be different or receive different things than me"

No, it doesn’t, and that makes no sense. The melting pot idea means that everyone works toward a cohesive national identity and recognizes contributions from everyone. It doesn’t mean that every group should be separate and excluded from each other.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Assimilation implies giving up your culture for a new one. That isn’t the melting pot idea, which is about giving and taking.

Otherwise I don’t really get the solution. Don’t try to integrate different cultures, thereby continuing to exclude them?

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
The melting pot is a goal and a living idea, not an idealized time in the past.

And yes, groups of white Americans that were hostile to each other a century ago are now so integrated that it’s not even thought about. An Italian Catholic marrying a German Protestant was a huge deal in 1900. Today it is nothing.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
As a result, populations poorly represented in 1890 were prevented from immigrating in proportionate numbers—especially affecting Italians, Greeks and Eastern European Jews, as well as Poles and other Slavs.[1][3][4] According to the US Department of State's Office of the Historian, the purpose of the act was "to preserve the ideal of U.S. homogeneity."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

Of course they didn’t have it as bad as black Americans, but that isn’t the topic of this discussion.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Yep, White used to be more or less synonymous with WASP. White Anglo Saxon Protestant.
disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
I didn’t say it would be as easy for everyone. Just that this is a better route (melting pot) than a return to separatism.

I’m struggling to see how your comment relates to what I’m saying.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Yes, by and large Americans have the same basic values and interests. The most popular entertainment figures, sports, musicians, and other cultural elements come from a very wide range of backgrounds. Values like individual freedom or the importance of voting are fairly universal among Americans.

As I said, this is easy to observe from abroad, where there is no space to differentiate between black Americans and white Americans. They’re all just Americans and they mostly act the same way.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
America does have a relatively monolithic culture and this translates into its businesses, government, and everything else. This is easy to observe if you live outside of America.
disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Most “white” people in America today were not considered so 100-150 years ago. Irish, Slavs, Eastern Europeans, Italians, Jews, Levantine Arabs, and pretty much everyone other than English, Germans and French.

My point is that this identity was expanded to be inclusive in order to build social cohesion. That was a good thing, but now let’s rename it to just “American” and include all ethnic groups, instead of going backwards.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
This is an easy fix. Make it “Netflix by Black People” or “Netflix by Black Creators.”

by, not for

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
Because it’s encouraging separatism. I would much rather have a startup that promotes black creators to the broader culture than one exclusionary by design.

Looking at top musicians, artists, and other cultural figures, it seems to me like this is already largely the case. Hip hop sales come in large part from white people. I want more of this cultural sharing, not isolationism.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
The concept of “white” is a consequence of the melting pot idea. I had hoped that eventually we could expand from White/European American to just American, a broad identity not based on race at all. This would have solved the injustices of the past and built a more cohesive American identity.

Instead we seem to be going backwards. 2050 New York City might look more like 1900 than 2000.

disneygibson··on Launch HN: BlackOakTV (YC S21) – Netflix for black people
This just makes me sad. We seem to be returning to a segregated society with separate services for every ethnic group. It’s not the “melting pot” idea of America that I was raised with, where everyone contributes their own unique culture to a unified American whole. That was the brilliance of American identity, which is now fracturing at an accelerated rate.
disneygibson··on Man fined for sharing a Facebook link ruled as defamation in Singapore
From 1993 but apparently still relevant:

> Disneyland with the Death Penalty

> We sent William Gibson to Singapore to see whether that clean dystopia represents our techno future.

https://www.wired.com/1993/04/gibson-2/

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