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You sincerely cannot tell the difference between an animal surviving/reproducing and an LLM doing as instructed?

No, the Navy SEAL does not lack agency in this scenario because they are still a person with individual agency, they can act on their own accord without anyone prompting them to, but in this case their superior instructed them to stay put. He could rebel and go rogue, but that would mean he used his own personal agency to defy orders given to him, which again places responsibility on the actor that actually possesses agency.

> Fair to say that the server+LLM system, taken as a whole, is now an intelligent agent?

No, it is not. It is a tool repeating a set of instructions you passed to it, if it ends up blowing up a hospital or hiring a gunman on the dark web, it is an accident, but one that’s your responsibility for giving it access to such resources and the go-ahead to implement whatever plan its tokens land on. There’s no intelligence involved whatsoever, especially considering how sycophantic these models tend to be.

If one day an LLM suddenly, without any prompting or user interaction whatsoever (including activation), decides to spin itself up and go rogue, then the conversation of “intelligence” might start to make sense, but at the moment it doesn’t.

An Android phone isn’t “intelligent” just because some marketing team decided to call it a “smart” phone.

I disagree with parent but your comment just reeks of “ha! gotcha!” vibes, which… yeah… no.

> For simple things, occasionally!

No, you don’t because there’s no such thing.

It’s a legal convention born out of a sense of responsibility. An LLM is even “dumber” than a child (precisely because it doesn’t have agency) so its “parents” are even more responsible for its actions.

> Right, but an EV that explodes because of a fault in the charging circuit is not a bomb, it's an accident. Just because something exploded for complex reasons doesn't make it an obfuscated bomb.

An accident that could only happen through sheer negligence.

If the EV had a faulty charging circuit because the maker’s skipped on safety checks or cheapened out on getting quality materials then it still is an accident, but it’s an accident that happened BECAUSE of negligence. The maker’s are still at fault here.