I feel like the whole tech industry, especially the American part, really dropped the ball on this.
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I feel like the whole tech industry, especially the American part, really dropped the ball on this.
That stereotype is now "grandparent thinks Chrome is the internet". It still exists in a big way. It also exists in the sense that "no one ever got fired for downloading Google Chrome".
They were amazing marketers. They made television, bus stop, billboard, and other real life advertisements that you couldn't miss walking down the street. Firefox did... uhhhhh an online certificate[1] that only people who were devs or chronically online would know or care about.
Marketing and sales has long been the Achilles' heel of computer software. Mozilla and all these Firefox forks screwed up and continue to screw up to this day by only marketing their products (not just code anymore - think of it as an actual product or good) to internet niches and not at all in real life. The majority of the planet does log off sometime and touch grass, so that's where the sales pitch has to happen.
This relationship means that Google can be throwing whatever they wanted into Chrome, and not necessarily have it make its way into Chromium.
VS Code is the same way, and a lot of forks are finding out about that relationship right now when Microsoft blocked their C++ extensions from running on anything other than the proprietary build.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act
- Offers a dev "enough" control (some HTML/CSS/JS support but not total control)
- Stays largely out of the way (maybe something like a "powered by" header/footer only)
- Doesn't try to lock free posts behind paywalls
- Is independently owned and not a big tech product (so no Blogger)
- Is abstracted enough so that someone doesn't need to know domain, DNS, hosting, VPS, or sysadmin stuff in general to start a website
The closest things I've seen to this are Neocities and Glitch. The best one used to be Blogger, but again it's big tech so you can't use it without being assimilated into the Google collective consciousness.
It's the same strategy that propelled Bernie Sanders to the national stage in 2015/2016. It's the same strategy that got Donald Trump elected, legitimately or otherwise, both in 2016 and 2024. No one wanted to touch it until it made both Trump become POTUS and made a Clinton lose an election.
And I don't know if building another platform with a feed will solve that problem. Because the existence of a social feed itself might be the issue here. But then what do you have if you don't have a feed? Is that a "platform" anymore if all that's on there are peoples' resumes?
I feel that building the next LinkedIn is really building the next LinkedIn community. That can't necessarily be done through computer code. I mean, look at the kind of community building that it took to build out HN.
They operate internationally. FB is still big in some of the South Pacific/Asia nations like the Philippines and India (iirc).
Notice how, in 2017, it's only after everyone starts post mortem evaluating the 2016 election that the "idealism" of social media begins to sour.
> A browser cannot cost a billion per year, that’s bullshit people want you to believe.
Those two comments contradict each other. And the second one shows why Google won't just buy everyone out. Competing as a business/org is totally doable if all Big Tech does is throw money at problems.
You can't make a viable browser product by yourself.
Yup. I had to deal with that last year when some senior Microsoft devs tried to shove serverless Azure stuff into something that was supposed to be for a Seattle community group full of non-technical people. The group lead was totally oblivious to how serverless on-demand pricing worked and wanted a fixed monthly cost. That whole project ended up getting scrapped and replaced with an Excel spreadsheet.
AI coding is even more impactful considering that most coding-oriented AIs will explain what the generated code does. My offline combo of Ollama, Qwen Coder 14b, and the Continue.dev VS Code extension will always explain what it did at the end of each chat message in understandable English. And if I'm still confused, I can literally type in "I don't understand these changes could you walk me through it" and it will walk me through the code changes with the whole codebase as context/RAG material. All running on-device with no token limits or subscription fees (runs really slow, but still $0), only limited by the computer hardware itself.
In fact, I credit my AI stack with removing a huge coding "writer's block" I've had since recovering from a mental health crisis right before the start of the COVID lockdown, and has made me fall in love with building software all over again.
And it's only going to get even better the more open/shared source on-device stuff gets released. Forget multimodal models, these specialized tools are where the real magic is happening!
This is the correct take, though. They ARE the same web browser, just with different skins.
The IRS will know soon enough if they were indeed non-profit.