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Types of food really are discretionary. Beans are an excellent vegetable and can be raised completely without manual labor. Trading salad greens for them would not be an overall nutritional loss. Perhaps the true market price for a head of lettuce should be 1.6x in a properly labor regime.
To draw the distinction more clearly, suppose we had zero illegal immigrants working in the field and someone said “let’s reduce the price of some vegetables by a third and create a permanent underclass”. Does that sound reasonable?
Or, if you are such a pessimist in America's can-do attitude, instead take it from the point of view of market efficiency. If a good cannot be produced cheaply enough for the market to sustain it, the solution is not to modify the social contract and undermine the value of labor for the sake of the good.
We have always solved problems by innovation. The surest way to prevent innovation is to continually provide cheaper and cheaper labor. The Roman empire is an excellent example of this.
Undoubtedly, these issues are more complex. However, this is such a tired old canard. Wages make labor, scarcity makes innovation.
If sincere, congratulations.
By the way, this is not just a cheap shot at the Trump administration. The issues are much wider than that.
Deep down, I have the gut feeling that in a century's time, people will think we were clinically insane for not trying to stockpile as much carbon as possible in whatever means we have, since it is clearly the foundation for biology, and widespread synthetic biology will use it (and N, and P) by the gigatonne. I really don't see any fundamental physical reason why we won't be growing entire cities made out of wood with the right genetic engineering and sufficient feedstock.
Given your word choice, I suspect you hail from Britain or a commonwealth country and your (appropriate) definition of township differs from mine. I should have defined it as "survey township" which is a USA term for a grouping of land parcels six miles tall by six miles wide. Again, the number presented is a ballpark estimate, as though we may not have as many nice villages and hedgerows in the Dakotas and other Plains states, we similarly do not farm every single literal acre--though many act as if we should, animals and people be damned.
The first learn that nature is always present and doing its best to kill you / wreck your harvest, and that it is only through man's intelligence and social bonds that we thrive. I would argue a corollary of this is that one cannot tolerate malicious or grossly neglectful people around.
The second group learns that other people are a liability and that bad actors are just a fact of life to be tolerated and worked around.
Both approaches are clearly optimal for their respective environment. The former seems like a stronger foundation for building a civilization on, though.
I think this results in quite different cultures.
Does it sound surprising to you that it was perfectly normal to rent a perfect acceptable two bedroom apartment in a safe town on the interstate for $300 a month and still easily find dignified, decent paying jobs without 1000 applications?
I've lived in many cities and work in tech now, and I can confidently say that, as it concerns the professions and jobs that unambiguously sustain and improve life, no community on the planet was more productive than my home state. There is more to the story than some shale.
I loved the winters. I loved the people. I loved how its natural beauty was subtle and rewarded the patient, unlike El Capitan or the Black Hills. The economy was fine before oil appeared.
> Block 1: We couldn't calculate fast enough. Solution: The GPU.
> Block 2: We couldn't train deep enough. Solution: Transformer architecture.
> Block 3: We can't "think" fast enough. Solution: Groq’s LPU.
#2 is outright wrong. Deep networks were made viable from residual layers and their refinement. #3 is also incorrect; "think" = compute so this is the same statement as #1.
Also, the "limestone" analogy is pretty weak.