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>Maybe you didn't intend to make the claim, but it's a claim you made ... You did not make that claim

You sound like a bad politician here. All I said is that GIRLS don't take AP CS and do not go to coding summer camp. The people who are doing these things are boys.

You have terrible reading comprehension and your pedantic citations of dictionaries and incorrect use of set theory belong on /r/iamverysmart

>OP claimed most "most men _______."

I did NOT, you are misquoting me. I claimed (and cited) that OF the people who take AP CS and have the other resources I mentioned, most are men. That is all I claimed and you are all over this thread misinterpreting this.

You can check my original comment's edit history. I've changed nothing about what I said and I stand by it 100%.

YES, this is exactly what I meant. Thank you for not misunderstanding me.

>I know it's hard to believe, but women don't usually get sent to coding summer camp as teenagers. Our parents don't usually encourage us to take AP computer science, and our best friends aren't in CS and don't refer us for sweet internships at Microsoft and Google.

My original use of "usually". I was talking about women with the "usually", not men. It is a FACT that 82% of the people taking AP computer science are boys. I am arguing that some of this discrepancy is because parents and society nurture this talents in boys, including boys that don't have a lot of natural ability. Which is fine! We need programmers, even mediocre programmers. I am saying nothing against the men who seized these opportunities, nor against the parents who encouraged them.

Read the medium article I linked.

I never said anything about "all" or "most" men. I have no idea why everyone is replying as if I did. Everything I said is super general and is backed up with data.

Good for you for pulling it together. Seriously. I went the service industry to community college route myself.

Oh great, more anecdotes in this thread. There are the cold hard facts, you know:

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/01/techs-g...

>"It's already too late," Paul Graham, founder of the tech entrepreneur boot camp Y Combinator, said last month in a controversial interview. "What we should be doing is somehow changing the middle school computer science curriculum or something like that."

>Ericson's analysis of the data shows that in 2013, 18 percent of the students who took the [AP computer science] exam were women.

Who makes high school students' schedules? Parents and teachers, at least in the US.

So let's put aside anecdotes and reactionary attitudes and just look at the facts.

Reading the comments on articles like this on hacker news always make me deeply uncomfortable to be a woman in tech.

I know it's hard to believe, but women don't usually get sent to coding summer camp as teenagers. Our parents don't usually encourage us to take AP computer science, and our best friends aren't in CS and don't refer us for sweet internships at Microsoft and Google.

If you're a woman in this industry, it's GENERALLY because it is something that you very much care about and want to do.

It's not some feminist conspiracy that women are being promoted, it's just that the women who go into tech are usually already pretty gritty people. You're comparing a very driven and passionate subset of women to a very general subset of men.

Here's a really great article I read once -- "I need terrible female engineers": https://medium.com/@amyngyn/i-need-terrible-female-engineers...