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Before: Co-Founder @ Cardiogram (ML for heart health)
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Data Science @ UCSF Cardiology
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IMO 34.6% is a surprisingly high number, especially in that age range. Most men in their 30's would have a CAC of 0, so being able to observe soft plaque through these newer imaging modalities is telling us something genuinely new.
Whether that's good or bad isn't fully known. We'd expect it's bad: soft plaque is more likely to rupture than hard plaque.
But the study itself measured plaque in a cross-section of participants, at a moment in time. To get a definitive answer, we'd need to follow participants for several decades, observe a large number events (heart attacks, strokes, etc) and then see if soft plaque is predictive above and beyond conventional risk scores.
One thing that struck me about this particular study is that they used two different imaging techniques (CCTA and ultrasound) to measure soft plaque. (This is necessary to capture both coronary and peripheral arteries.)
This study analyzed the trial results and found it also reduced oxidized lipids, namely oxidized apoB. These are LDL cholesterol particles which are believed to be especially harmful.
But hopefully we'll start to have more options and wider approvals for things like anti-amyloid drugs.
In one recent study, people very high p-tau217 had a 38% chance of progressing to cognitive impairment within 5 years vs 12% for those with low levels. The current tests cost about $200-300, so they're not unreasonable as a screening test. PrecivityAD2 looks to be priced around $1,400-$1,500 so at that price, this specific test likely only makes sense for people with established disease.
About 8% of the population is uninsured. The uninsured population skews younger, with less healthcare utilization (Medicare already covers everyone 65 and older).
Another comment in this thread estimated billing overhead at 8.5%. Medicare for All would eliminate some, but not all of this, since Medicare is still a claims-based system. You would remove a lot of overhead around prior auths, which I agree is a good thing, but could be achieved with more focused legislation.
The authors derive the $1T number from $1.3T in total cost savings and $304B in incremental spend (incremental spend is due to insuring more people). The $1.3T in cost savings come from five big buckets: lower pharmaceutical prices, Medicare-level payments to providers, reduced administrative overhead, less fraudulent billing, and fewer avoidable emergency department visits and hospitalizations.
The buckets themselves don't necessarily survive much scrutiny.
Take "Medicare-level payments to providers". Hospitals have an operating margin of 2-5%. Medicare pays 50% less than private insurance. So doing this would require either layoffs, cutting salaries for doctors/nurses/etc, or both. This may well be the right decision for society as a whole--that's a big part of the debate here--but there's no free lunch.
The line item of "fewer avoidable emergency department visits and hospitalizations" assumes greater insurance coverage leads to greater access to primary care. It's true that great primary care prevents hospitalizations, and can be a net cost saving under certain assumptions [1]. But, we're actually in a primary care shortage. Existing insurance payments for primary care are low enough that private practices are going out of business and fewer residents are going into family medicine. Cutting rates (the paragraph above) would make this worse.
For "less fraudulent billing," a lot of people in the industry believe that Medicare has a large amount of undetected fraud. That's unfortunately the flip-side of reduced administrative overhead. The authors assume an 8% savings here, but the 2003 paper they cite uses the word "fraud" only twice and doesn't give a number.
Healthcare reform is hard.
[1] Reasonable breakdown on the economics of advanced primary care models: https://olearykm.medium.com/the-cost-equation-for-new-primar...
This study is interesting in that it quantifies the benefit as 12.5 extra dementia-free years. People with 0 risk factors had 30 years of dementia-free survival, vs 17.5 years for people with all 3 risk factors measured.
The risk factors in this specific study are blood pressure, diabetes (HbA1c), and smoking. You could reasonably also include cholesterol/ApoB, inflammation (hs-CRP), and perhaps Lp(a) as potential risk factors.
The ZEUS trial tested an anti-inflammatory injection (ziltivekimab). These phase III results showed a hazard ratio of 0.99, i.e., no effect.
This is evidence for a lipid-first model -- i.e., lipids drive oxidation, which then triggers inflammation.
I found the underlying chemistry and scientific process really interesting.
I tried to answer two main questions in this specific article: 1. What was the actual process from 2013-2026 that led to enlicitide? 2. If we were restarting this work in 2026, would AI have helped? If so, at what specific stages?
Happy to answer questions if people have 'em.
But the sweat angle is could add signal alongside other techniques like Raman or MIR spectroscopy, and maybe a combination of these and an ML system would be accurate enough to use in practice.
Unfortunately this particular intervention wasn't successful (not much difference between treatment and control groups). But conceivably, afib triggers is something that varies from person to person and perhaps a future design would tease this out.
It also reduces Lp(a), the strongest hereditary risk factor for heart disease, by 28%.
Previous PCSK9 inhibitors like Repatha were injectables (similar to GLP-1s). Only about 1% of people eligible for injectable PCSK9 inhibitors use them, so having a convenient daily pill is a potentially huge win for prevention.
Rather than hand-engineering these features, most modern systems are built on a wearable foundation model that's been trained reconstruct the signal (similar to how an LLM is trained to predict the next word). Those foundation models are picking up on these signals and likely others.
You're right that calibration with a cuff is required of all systems currently on the market.
The Signal Ring folks' claim they can do a blood pressure number without calibration, which is quite novel and seems to be their "secret sauce". They did run a clinical study as well, so presumably more details will come out whenever that's published.