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bondarchuk··on Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]
Someone in the comments says it's not as bad (ethically speaking) as it appears:

>This an impressive simulation. But it's just not honest to call this 'brain emulation', a 'brain upload' or to say that this is doing anything like 'sensorimotor loop in simulation'. Aside from the fact that a connectome is not a brain, and so we have no idea whether the parts that have been filled in by ML actually function like a brain, the motor control in this framework is not even driven by the brain simulation. The output from the 'brain' is not a sequence of motor commands. It is a steering mechanism, a 2-dimensional descending signal (essentially, turn left or right, speed up or slow down). That is then fed into a series of CPG oscillators, outside of the brain emulation, that model fly movement in response to that 2-dimensional descending signal. Since outputting a 2-dimensional descending signal is not what a fly brain does, the simulated brain is not operating as a fly's brain does. It's machine learning, clamped into the shape of a fly connectome, that has a resting state of 0Hz, being zapped with simple inputs, not virtual sensory data.

Nevertheless a worrying direction.

bondarchuk··on Triumph of the toons: how animation came to rule the box office
>If anyone has any books or other media about nostalgia I'd love to hear about it.

Mark Fisher/K-punk on hauntology.

bondarchuk··on Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]
That's fair, but "what about animals" is to "we should not torture human brain organoids" as "what about plants" is to "we should not torture animals".
bondarchuk··on Living human brain cells play DOOM on a CL1 [video]
200k now, reasonably speaking a few million is within reach, which is reptile/fish range, the terrifying thing is though that if they train this to imitate humans (which they will) who knows how many orders of magnitude of efficiency gains you get (in terms of neurons needed for a certain level of consciousness) versus natural organisms that are dependent on natural evolution and need to support other bodily functions basically irrelevant to consciousness.
bondarchuk··on Global warming has accelerated significantly
Well, yes, but that is kind of the point. Even though there wasn't a referendum or anything, still in some sense a decision was made collectively.
bondarchuk··on Global warming has accelerated significantly
"People aren't willing to pay price increases" is interesting. Of course that's what they say when you ask them directly. Yet everyone is currently paying massive price increases as a result of covid-era money printing. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily but what it shows it that it has been possible in very recent times that a collecive decision was made which increased general prices for everyone.
bondarchuk··on How to talk to anyone and why you should
This whole thread is about wanting to talk with strangers because it makes you feel good, if approval from strangers makes you feel good the natural corollary is rejection from strangers can also make you feel bad. It would be bit weird to go out of your way to talk to people because you'd enjoy their kindness but then when they're unkind turn around all like "oh I never cared about you anyway". Isn't it?
bondarchuk··on The Pleasures and Pains of Coffee (1830)
Fair, if you've always only drunk decaf that would be an exception.
bondarchuk··on Out of Light Adjust Share: Caravaggio, La Tour, and the Art of Attention
The title is "Out of light", "adjust" and "share" are just buttons picked up by the title-izer. Lol.
bondarchuk··on The Pleasures and Pains of Coffee (1830)
You can drink good coffee for the caffeine, too. I think anyone (not necessarily saying that's you) saying it's only about the taste and has nothing to do with caffeine is fooling themselves. The reason you were able to trick yourself into liking this bitter stuff is because it gets reinforced with caffeine.
bondarchuk··on US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives
I know nothing about this but JumpCrisscross seems to use "political" to mean "has donated large sums of money" while your use of "political" is more like.. someone who does politics.
bondarchuk··on Evidence of the bouba-kiki effect in naïve baby chicks
Yes, see my other comment about primates https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47135674
bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
Noted. But really, I'm also saying your description is wrong.
bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
>As long as there's a country willing to build and sell ESP32s, I think it would be fairly easy to get hold of them.

You could say the same about firearms.

>Is a government really going to ban all electronics?

All electronics that can be freely programmed by the owner, not impossible.

bondarchuk··on Discord cuts ties with identity verification software, Persona
Submitted 6 days ago but flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47059129

@dang can this get a second chance?

bondarchuk··on Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity
Do you really think that proves anything? It strikes me as a disingenuous argument.
bondarchuk··on Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity
I don't know why you keep doubling down. You can read in the text I linked that I'm right and you're wrong. Goodbye.
bondarchuk··on IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report
Shablulman is shadowbanned.
bondarchuk··on Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity
The context is "Anthropic treating models like people" which is 100% about consciousness, suffering, subjective awareness etc..

edit: in case you hadn't seen it, this kind of stuff https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations

bondarchuk··on Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity
If they really think models can be conscious, they should just drop everything they're doing and never touch it again and try to convince anyone else to do the same. The half-assed safeguards they're implementing wouldn't be nearly enough. We can conclude either they legitimately believe this and are behaving morally abhorrently, or they don't really believe it and are just joking around for PR reasons. (probably the latter tbh)

For those that do believe there's a chance models are/will be conscious this precedent of "oh yeah they're conscious but we can just not put in the prompts that make it suffer lol" is pretty freaky.

bondarchuk··on Sam Altman Is Losing His Grip on Humanity
I never denied that. I only said "It's really idiotic to posit that only things that eat and drink can suffer.". Don't just pattern-match everything to some vaguely related black/white issues.
bondarchuk··on Evidence of the bouba-kiki effect in naïve baby chicks
I see several people say primates don't show the effect, however all tests on primates were done with a "language-competent bonobo" and "touchscreen trained chimpanzees (N=6) and gorillas (N=2)" that are first trained to do various language/picture association tasks and then tested like how you'd test humans. It would be interesting to test primates using the same methodology they used here on chickens. The previous language/computer training in the monkeys might have interfered with a more low-level/intuitive bouba-kiki effect.

References here https://evolang.org/jcole2022/proceedings/papers/JCoLE2022_p...

bondarchuk··on Evidence of the bouba-kiki effect in naïve baby chicks
It's not about "understanding" that you or me do when we read a wikipedia article. It's about the mechanisms in the brain that encode things.
bondarchuk··on Evidence of the bouba-kiki effect in naïve baby chicks
But then you are "pulling out the stops"! That sounds louder, doesn't it.
bondarchuk··on Evidence of the bouba-kiki effect in naïve baby chicks
It shows that bouba-kiki is not sufficient, but it doesn't show that it is not necessary.
bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
Yes, it's hard work to build a society where people behave responsibly and in their best interests. But I'd prefer we actually put in the effort rather than go for the easy authoritarian option out of basically laziness and contempt for your fellow man.

(fwiw I regularly talk to parents who are quite aware of various parental controls and use them effectively, combined with talking to their kids and just general good parenting practices)

bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
People are saying privacy is dead for decades, yet privacy continually declines more and more. And there's still quite a ways it can go from here. The defeatist attitude only helps further erosion.
bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
It's kind of weird to me how every article on this topic here has people rushing to comment within a couple minutes with some generic "yes I too support ID checks for internet use!". Has the vibe really shifted so much among tech-literate people?
bondarchuk··on The Age Verification Trap: Verifying age undermines everyone's data protection
It is a valid alternative avenue towards a legal implementation of "child safeguarding" IMO. Someone pays for the internet, that person is responsible for what minors do on their connection. If they have trouble doing that we can use normal societal mechanisms like idk social services, education, and government messaging.

This is the way it works with e.g. alcohol and cigarettes, most places. Famously kids can just get a beer from a random fridge and chug it, but someone 16/18/21+ will be responsible and everyone seems mostly fine with this.

bondarchuk··on What's the best way to learn a new language?
I cannot find anything on google nor on google scholar under "core sight set" that has anything to do with language.

In fact the term does not appear to exist at all.

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