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If you print some more money is that wealth?

> When $25b of wealth is being created

Woah there. I think this is the fundamental issue. $25b of wealth hasn't been created. It's not free money. It's a scam.

edit: Deleted due to the overwhelming amount of Guardian readers/conspiracy nuts in the comments section, who aren't able to listen to reasoned debate.

No, we shouldn't bother trying to plug those leaks.

Current situation:

  * You request website A, which includes 3rd party code from C. C drops a cookie
  * You request website B, which includes 3rd party code from C. C knows you previously visited A.

New situation:

  * You request website A, which includes 3rd party code from C. Website A sends details of your visit via a backchannel to C.
  * You request website B, which includes 3rd party code from C. Websites B sends details of your visit via backchannels, and C knows you previously visited A.

Wouldn't you rather such tracking to be out in the open and easily blocked - stop accepting cookies, rather than them creating backchannels to track you instead?

Yes - You should give up if you think you will able to continue sending websites HTTP requests directly, whilst not being tracked.

Good. This recent war against cookies is futile and silly.

If you visit a website (Assuming you don't go via some anonymizer proxy), they can track you, and they can pass your details to any 3rd party who wishes to also track you.

Cookies are the easiest way for them to do that, but its absurdly naive to think that if you block cookies then people won't track your browser activity online.

If you don't want to be 'tracked', stop generating HTTP requests, or do them through an anonymizer service. And good luck getting any website to work properly.

If you haven't seen it, I'd recommend watching "An idiot abroad". It's a great travel show with Karl Pilkington. He goes to foreign lands and tells it how it is.

Yes I am complaining about the £280m send to India. There are a lot of other causes closer to home that would benefit greatly from it.

So you believe that the current British, should be paying money for crimes committed by their ancestors?

Personally, I don't think people should pay for other peoples mistakes, even if they happen to be born in the same country.

Thanks, I copy and pasted the wrong bit. But the point stands.

I don't think that's true at all. I think the majority of the UK see a space program as a fairly useless endeavour - big boys playing with their toys.

The UK does certainly see sending millions of pounds overseas in foreign aid, as a bad idea.

And sorry again for my original copy&paste gone wrong. I copied the wrong part of the article which mentioned remittances rather than foreign aid.

As stated elsewhere, foreign aid from the UK to india is £280m. But I'm glad that's such a miniscule amount to you.

Yes apologies. I copy and pasted the wrong bit from a badly written gruaniad article.

The point stands though. Whether it's billions or millions, it's still a ton of money which we shouldn't be giving them in aid.

One of the bigger questions is international aid.

"Since 2007 India has been the world's largest recipient of recorded remittances from abroad. In 2010 these inflows were worth $54bn (£35bn). UK foreign direct investment in India is considerable, reaching £1.8bn in the same year."

You can't really on the one hand claim your country is terribly poor, and needs handouts from other nations, and on the other play at being spacemen.

Thankfully the UK will stop sending foreign aid to India in 2015.

There's a lot of lag for a few people in a chatroom. Looks fun apart from that though.

Some people are born with good genes, intelligence, money, muscles, height, amazing good looks, etc etc Some aren't.

Life is certainly not, in any way equal, and it's idiocy to pretend it is.

We are all born with totally different strengths and weaknesses, and that's what makes us unique, and should be celebrated. Not denied.

Sounds to me like you have an irrational fear of cancer and/or death.

All lives are not created equal. That's just bs. Of course not all lives are created equal. For example if I had to pick between the lives of Einstein and Hitler, I'd pick Einstein.

Of course it does. I use the internet to generate money.

That's an insane choice. Do you really value raw lifespan over quality of life?

Point is they're two separate groups of people.

From the majority of people from 1st world countries, it is more valuable. I'm never going to meet anyone who has had malaria, or even anyone who knows someone who has had maleria. It's a non issue. But I'll certainly experience and interact with a larger internet population.

Death is a natural, and essential part of evolution, and is crucial for the survival of the species.

If you could magically save everyone from dying tomorrow, then well done! You've just killed everyone from overcrowding.

Those things are also about increasing our problems down the line IMHO

The world population has doubled in the last 30 years. Doesn't that scare anyone else?

Sure, you could save a few million poorly educated people from dying. Then what? They're all going to need food, energy, education, housing, etc etc.

Saving people from dying is no good at all if they still have a shitty life and die from something else anyway.

It's not that simple though. There's quite a few people who are not at risk of ever getting malaria, but who don't have any decent internet access. So for them, curing malaria will make 0 difference to their life.

Also, since when has Microsoft or Bill Gates ever been sold on the idea of the internet as a good thing?

Is insurance obsolete? How about tax? How about making sure businesses aren't run in inappropriate locations?

It's a ridiculous nonsensical law full of gaping holes.

If I visit your website, you'll log details about what I'm doing. That's kinda how it works.

This "pop up a massive cookie warning on every fucking website" is worse than advertising that start up playing sound. Worse than the original 'problem'.

BTW The EU are now planning to ban powerful vacuum cleaners in their ever further reaching quest to limit freedom.

Silly linkbait. Tools barely matter to any competent programmer, it's just fashion.

It's still too easy to get around that. There's no way to get around "The site is down / ddos'ed"

If you have ssh running anywhere, please disable password access. Use keys. It should come installed like that.

Sorry if it came across as harsh. I believe there's two options...

a) We let our freedom be gradually eroded over a long period of time, so that people don't notice it, and so that any one generation can't really remember how great things were.

b) There's a wake up call event that shows people we should not allow ourselves to go down this road at all.

I think you should probably update your stats.

Auto deaths are almost half what they were in the 60s in the US, despite more cars and more miles driven. And that figure is coming down by a pretty good percentage each year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in...

To put in in perspective, every year in the US:

  * People die from heart attacks: 600,000
  * People die from auto accidents: 32,000

Obviously every lost life is a tragedy, and my last comment may seem harsh, but the alternative is that this sort of technology creeps up on us, and we don't understand what we had until it's too late and we've lost it forever.