biorach

> The moment you start dictating that the state owns your body and what you can do with it,

No one said that, and it's a very extreme interpretation of the comment you're replying to

> you have started down the path of authoritarianism

That's an example of the fallacy of infinite progression - that a societal trend will continue forever once started

In a complex system like a society, it's perfectly possible for a trend for e.g. regulation of the personal sphere to give rise to countervailing forces that end up in a steady state

There are plenty of societies e.g. the Nordic states, that have much higher regulation than the USA, yet have remained stable for decades and show no sign of descending into authoritarianism

> In the human world, traits that a ripe for manipulation in a free market would result in lower purchasing power. Thus, less ability to afford children and pass on the traits

This is mostly nonsense

You're using a broad definition of "computer". We've had these features for decades now, until recently the logic was handled by microcontrollers. It's not clear that the functionality requires computing devices also capable of data gathering, storage and upload.

> Some of the "cutting-edge PL features" I want are things like function effects

That's probably the least convincing of your examples. My understanding is that effects systems can get complicated fast, and there's no consensus yet on what a good general purpose implementation should look like, never mind a specific implementation for Rust.

> That's Ricky Gervais' entire career.

Ricky Gervais has had a very varied career, so I politely suggest that you don't know what you're talking about.

Bit useless tho.

That doesn't really cover it

> a time when humans could barely speak with eachother.

That's a pretty wild claim

Source?

> But it's not a real concurrent backend database. It's a client-side database

People are successfully using it server-side, in specific situations it appears to be a good fit.

> You can accidentally write a string to an int column

Yes, you need more validation logic client-side in exchange for the performance gain. It's a trade-off, not a black/white distinction. A strongly typed language can help here.

> I'm not a systems programmer, all of the problems I work on can be solved with higher level garbage collected languages

Great. Use those languages. Don't criticise rust for not being one of those languages

> people are carrying that complexity everywhere else too, and it doesn't seem like a tradeoff that's worth it.

Yes, there are people who have used Rust in places where a higher level language would be more appropriate. However rust has characteristics beyond raw performance that make it often a compelling choice in areas outside of systems programming. The complexity of the language brings benefits that may or may not suit a particular use case. Any criticism of necessity or otherwise of its complexity is just noise without talking about what you want to use it for.

> Folks who evangelise these "just as good as systemd" solutions always hide a key factor.

No one in these comments was "evangelising" and no one was hiding anything. If you want to have a technical discussion about the merits of various init systems you can do it without inflammatory language and without reviving debates that almost everybody is sick of

your basic point is that the cost of housing has increased to levels that are making life difficult for most people.

However the language you use is exaggerated to the point of hysteria, which kind of undermines everything you say.

Also, your original point was about immigration. There is a housing crisis even in countries with relatively low levels of immigration, which indicates that other factors are at play.

> . If you do it in Portugal, Southern Italy or Greece, it'll be 100x worse, hence everybody is leaving. And if you do it in Eastern Europe it'll be even worse: everyone (who even remotely can) HAS left.

While there are high levels of emigration in these places, what you're saying is exaggerated to the point of being bullshit.

> The quality of life has dropped dramatically in the original EU countries.

This is, on the whole, bullshit.

> Smart folks giving up on kids are removing smart genes from future gene pool, who then gets more diluted by illiterate farmers having 10-15 kids.

Hints of eugenic thinking there

Illiteracy is not hereditary, so I don't know why you bring it in.

Poor farmers do no "dilute the gene pool"

In general, poor people have more children, regardless of IQ level.

It's possible to value children and yet choose not to have any

There have always been people who have chosen to not have children

It's a shitty term for a shitty phenomenon. It's a good fit.

It's not a rationalisation, and you're missing the point.

You could have phrased that in a much less judgemental way.

> I think we should reconsider the "hands off" attitude that (with a few exceptions) has prevailed since the end of the Cold War. Political deference, while culturally sensitive and insisted upon by some US-weary groups, has not turned out so great.

The USA has a terrible track record when in comes to direct participation in the affairs of other countries.

That's a rather dickish way of completely missing the point

AI bot, set to verbose and slightly pretentious

she does not say "tech is bad" or "screens are bad"

> I’m not anti-tech. My entire career as a writer and editor has been enabled by the Internet, and I wouldn’t want to go back to a time without it. But great tools don’t automatically make great toys, and I want my kids to learn the difference.

By "drowning" they mean "displaying the instinctive responses to perceived difficulty maintaining breathing in the water"

I haven't watched all of them. So far no one has drowned. For a variety of ethical and legal reasons I very much doubt any reputable organisation would put a video of a fatal drowning on their site.

The whole dynamic of this discussion is weird. There's a bunch of people coming up with long winded arguments, not-really-relevant examples and other guff. And there's a bunch of us repeatedly saying "why not just be decent?"

> Are we back in the 60s where a father has to sign off on the daughters job application

Strawnan bs. No one advocated anything like that.

> We are talking about a woman who willingly signed up for a playboy photoshoo

Yep. And decades later asked it to not be used anymore.

You can waste as much time with long winded arguments as you want. Or you could just be decent and not use the image. Your call.

> you can't retrospectively wish against it

She absolutely can. And we, collectively, can choose to respect that wish by using a different test image in future. And why not? It's no real burden to make the change.

I think the point is that there are surprisingly many applications where the advantages outweigh the issues with concurrency and featureset.