And if you require a carrot that takes you from, say, $2M to $2.5M salary, maybe re-consider what motivates you and try to find something more intrinsic to the work & company itself.
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And if you require a carrot that takes you from, say, $2M to $2.5M salary, maybe re-consider what motivates you and try to find something more intrinsic to the work & company itself.
Not sure most people really understand what HR does, just as HR arguably doesn't understand what a developer does.
Some people in this thread make it sound like every department is actively thwarting senior management and working counter to the company's business—except HR, who are in on the game or something. So, fuck HR, right? They couldn't possibly be one cog, along with every other cog, in a larger machine designed to extract value from workers for owners/shareholders.
The most interesting quasi-claim is buried: helmets protect your head, but cause more damage to your neck. That's an empirical claim that I doubt, but at least it's better than "I don't think I look good in a helmet."
E.g. can you approach the C-suite directly, or have to go through their assistants? Can meeting participants cut things off if it's unproductive, or is that feedback shared privately afterward? Is really vigorous (perhaps intimidating) debate an expectation, or are people more laid back about discussing ideas? To what extent can you express emotions, and which emotions? Two companies can totally be "feedback-oriented" yet drastically differ on when, how, and to whom feedback is given/received—none objectively The Right Way, just different cultures.
To me this is all culture, hard to judge pre-hire, and hard to adopt if it's really not your style.
YMMV, but I also think the emphasis on "conversations" is a bit misleading. Lots of people do have conversations on there, but I personally love it for breaking news, link-sharing, jokes, and photos. If your frame of reference is a forum with posts, or an article's comments, or a real-life conversation... you're going to have a bad time.
(LEGO even sent me a nicely formatted, well-branded letter within 7 business days despite not even making it to the phone screen stage.)
On the other hand, an in-house recruiter, an outside recruiter contracted by the company, the actual hiring manager, just a peer or colleague, the company's receptionist... I think all these should be allowed.
If we're going to cut one more cohort from the above paragraph, cut the 3rd party recruiters. However, excluding all talent acquisition teams and/or other co-workers within the company seems unnecessarily restrictive.
Can you expand on this a bit? As in, what kinds of things within those areas were they not getting or completely ignorant of?
This is why the exciting new breed of start-ups in this space (payroll, ATS, HRIS, etc) are making a killing—amazing profit margins, even when you dramatically undercut the established players.
Please share if possible! Sounds great.