Btw thanks to the author. I got Conversations to work with Micro (https://micro.mu), the personal assistant I'm building. Its a nice XMPP client. Now just need to figure out how to do encryption for queries going into the model itself.
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Btw thanks to the author. I got Conversations to work with Micro (https://micro.mu), the personal assistant I'm building. Its a nice XMPP client. Now just need to figure out how to do encryption for queries going into the model itself.
Still iterating. Started with something else, then turned that into tools, then turns that into agents, then turned that into an assistant. Now trying to make it generally useful, quite painful at times... but want something that is not Muse or ChatGPT or Claude or Gemini... and not Hermes or OpenClaw. Currently just fixing all the broken styling/css, etc, no separate frontend, single Go binary.
Self host if you like - https://github.com/micro/mu
So no, don't regret it, maybe some of the twitter use. Yelling into the abyss is not healthy. But that's not to say we don't need private social networks. Not public. Private. Public social networks are going to need 10 years to reset.
Also yes to an open runtime.
My goal is to consolidate a lot of daily tool use in one place, what started as individual little apps for news, mail, chat, video, etc turned into an assistant and home screen dashboard which includes its own mail server, rss aggregator, and more. The business at the model, micro transactions using topup credits, which then takes a per request credit for what you use. Eventually maybe I'd do a subscription but also a business version that allows customisation.
Feedback more than welcome!
Also the swiss army knife approach feels wrong. Too much choice. It can connect to everything, ok great, so I could chat with it on telegram, discord, email, whatsapp, etc. For a person who comes along and wants to configure great. But for someone who just wants to use it and get a web ui and maybe some sane defaults it's a bit overwhelming. If we can go from super highly configurable does anything to sane defaults with an opinionated interface and its open source we might get somewhere. Not only that but if we can get to like Proton/Notion sort of equivalent alternatives where everything is not controlled by one player that would be good. Proton did mail. Notion did docs. Maybe someone else will do chat.
I'm showing the front door but there's also a back door which is the apis and the MCP server.
It's all open source https://github.com/micro/mu
I've posted that here before. But you'll see from my history I think the goals keep changing or maybe not the goals but the way in which is presented. Ultimately, I think we should have an all-in-one solution that you can run yourself, but also that we have some alternative to what's out there. I think I'm a really big fan of email and smtp and the open protocol allowing you to self-host if you want. But ultimately we all went to big providers but there's potential for standalone solutions and I think the same should be the case for not just personal AI assistants but all home assistant software.
I think if you could run the full stack in the cloud or on a device in your house that would be the end game. At which point you could potentially cut the reliance on a lot of these large providers who have access to all of your data.
I'm not saying I have all the answers today but this is just one way I'm presenting it.
The answers will come. Once you've had some time to process you'll know what to do. Don't overthink it. Just take some time to relax.
I've had a few of these breaks in my life. It's time to take stock and move on. Sometimes retrain or learn something new. But ultimately breaks are good. Just don't force the change. It will come. Slow and steady wins the race.
https://micro.mu https://github.com/micro/mu
Also have an agent harness and service framework in Go
Here's the last one. https://github.com/micro/go-micro
This project didn't start as tools for agents. It started as a personal app server where I could consolidate a lot of my daily habits that were apps. I actually wrote that by hand. Then I got access to Claude and it made life easier so I was able to extend it.
But I feel like my original goal was sort of unfulfilled and that's when I realised all of this stuff could actually be useful to agents and the same idea I had about apis for developers could apply to agents. So maybe it's not going to be something everyone wants to use. But for me I'm kind of interested to build this collection of let's say a hundred of the most useful tools put them behind one mCP server with access through one token and one account and then I'm going to start to kind of program against it. And the idea is well. If you give the agent access to real world things, you could build real world agents. And maybe people are already handcrafting this but then it's not made for that audience right. So I think that's why hacker news can be somewhat subjective. I've always found it quite polarising whenever I posted anything because you know there's this half that just say well. I don't need this because I can do it myself and then there's the other half they're like. Wow, this is cool.
Anyway, I appreciate the feedback
Good observation thank you.
These things have a way of working themselves out. But look at almost all IPOs and the next 12 months the stock is down 50+% so I'd rather wait. And honestly when I buy, it's to hold 10+ years, not make a quick buck and it's because I believe in the value. You can believe in SpaceX but also still believe the market and the dynamics of IPOs is almost criminal for retail investors.
It's almost as bad as crypto token sales tbh.
Tried to generate audio but wasn't satisfied with the interpretation of some words, saying that thou may try again.
It's also open source
From 2015-2019 I spent the whole time saying "If I don't write the code nobody does". It was the point of saying to do anything requires a team, to build that team you need funding. It was a vicious cycle and took a long time to get enough traction to raise funding and do that... and then you end up in the MVP loop -> hire -> build -> validate -> rehire -> rebuild -> revalidate. Today all of that has changed. You don't necessarily need the team to write the code, it's for a different function entirely, maybe the original function which is the team was the orchestration engine for all the different pieces at play to make a company and product successful. The code is only half the equation. Looking forward to seeing how solo entrepreneurs leverage these tools and how teams transform using them.
In an ideal world, yea you can run local models, but I need a powerful always on device for that, or the latest gear, and it will never be as fast as what I can use from google, anthropic, or through an API call. I really wish it was different but I have to shell out a ton of money for that, and I guess it's usecase specific right. Maybe if my phone was super powerful and could run models that would be great, but then I have this issue with cloud sync and using things anywhere else. There will be a world in which local models and self deployed models make sense, this is going to be a core experience, but I personally can't run them.