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antifaang··on Ask HN: People who rejected a FAANG offer. Why?
I'd rather not give away too much personally identifying information, but I recently joined a company in the media production software/hardware space that has been around for a couple of decades but still has a small-ish "startup-y" vibe. The culture is great, everyone is friendly and the work-life balance seems amazing so far (I have a family, so that was important to me). I'm working on tools that help creative amateurs and professionals do great work. It's not curing cancer or solving world hunger but I can go home happy with how I'm using my skills.

Before that, I was in several small companies in ad-tech. I didn't feel great about the work, but the cultures were also laid back and family-friendly. Non-FAANG companies with great culture are out there; please don't settle :)

Edit: if you're looking for the highest-paying jobs, you are correct in that often times, looking at a basket of job offers, FAANGs will offer the highest comp levels. If getting the highest possible compensation is your only criteria I think you are going to have a much tougher time finding compelling non-FAANG offers (though conversations with former colleagues lead me to believe that high-comp non-FAANG offers are indeed out there). I've chosen to prioritize my own happiness and time with my family over high compensation, and I can get by on the lesser (but still high in relative terms) comp offered by smaller firms.

antifaang··on Ask HN: People who rejected a FAANG offer. Why?
(I'd rather share this anonymously, so this is a throwaway account.)

I'm a software engineer and technical manager with just shy of 20 years of experience. I've never received a job offer from a FAANG company, but I've said "no thanks" to Google recruiters a number of times over the last ~10 years, and several years ago I did an initial remote interview with Netflix before declining their offer of an onsite interview. Here are my own personal reasons against working for a FAANG company:

Facebook/Google: Surveillance capitalism at its finest; working for one of these would be using my talents to further the greatest privacy-violating data collection regime (with virtually zero government oversight) the world has ever seen. I'd rather give up programming entirely and work retail.

Amazon: less objectionable than FB/Goog, but only slightly. They treat their non-engineer employees like complete crap, and I've heard that the quality of life even on the engineering side is very much dependent on the org you end up in and your manager.

Apple: Their privacy game is much stronger than any of the above, and I use their devices daily. Their walled gardens and locked-down devices mean they are a far cry from the hacker-friendly Apple I remember as a kid in the 80s. Their culture also seems very secretive and rather cult-like which leaves a bad taste in my mouth (though maybe this is improving since Steve's death?)

Netflix: by far the least objectionable FAANG, many fewer privacy concerns and the product is good IMHO. However, they have a hard policy against remote work, at least for the team(s) I was looking at, and I don't want to live anywhere near SF Bay. This is the only reason I ended the interview process with them.

Aside from all of the above and even if you disagree with everything I said, FAANGs are just so huge that the incremental value you add by joining is likely to be tiny. I've spent the last ~10 years working at startups to mid-size companies (from 5 up to 200 people) and I feel that my work is much more impactful than it could ever be at a FAANG.