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anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
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anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
DeepMind made huge breakthroughs, agreed. AlphaGo beat a sitting go champion, which was very cool. AlphaFold solved a large number of proteins with verified results. Are we clear on this? Hope you are taking back your ad hominem.

The team that did RL for chips work was at GoogleBrain, and you already pointed out that Google had bad demos. The fact that this team was absorbed into DeepMind does not magically rub the successes of DeepMind onto them.

The RL for chips results were nothing like AlphaGo. Imagine if AlphaGo claimed to beat unknown go players, you would laugh. But the Nature paper on RL for chips claims to outperform unknown chip engineers. Also, imagine if AlphaFold claimed to fold only proprietary proteins. The Nature paper on RL for chips reports results on a small set of proprietary chip blocks (they released one design, and the results are not great on that one). That's where imaginary results come up. One of these things is not like the others.

anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
We are discussing AlphaChip in 2024, not AlphaGo from 2016. I don't know much about protein folding (there were some controversies there, but that's not relevant). Neither of these has been related to product claims.

As for "nobody can re-produce", no, that's not the definition. Imaginary things are not competitive advantage. They are exaggerating, and that's bad. But yeah, that's what companies do, you are right.

anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
Reposting, as someone is flagging my comments. > People in the know are following this topic - big-wow surprise!
anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
Hm... I also had to piece things together and agree that Google PR is pretty slick. The approach had promise 3-4 years ago, but the science seems clear now. Google is avoiding tests on shared chip designs but claims a breakthrough. There is no breakthrough as everyone is still using Cadence or Synopsys software tools.

Maybe you can make RL work for chip design at some point, but if the paper "polished up some results", why is it still getting any respect? You are right about "appropriate channels", that's what Chatterjee and Kahng tried, but Chatterjee was fired by Google as a whistleblower (red flag!) while Kahng is getting flak even these comments (another red flag!). Where would you look next as an independent observer?

anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
I can tell you get excited by SciFi, that's where Google's work belongs - people have been unable to reproduce it outside Google by a long shot.
anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
Does this make any sense, really? - Define some common words and then let the media run wild with them. How about we redefine "better" and "revolutionize"? Oh, wait, I think people are doing that already...
anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
Dated or not, if half of the criticisms are right, the original paper may need to be retracted. No progress on RL for chip design was published by Google since 2022, as far as I can tell. So, it looks like most if not all criticisms remain valid.
anna-gabriella··on How AlphaChip transformed computer chip design
That does not mean you need to pre-train either. Common sense, no?