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Not using the A.I. version, though I do have an A.I. assit box up top at times. I've noted more rubbish search results lately -- I feel at at times DDG just doesn't bother to try or has deceased the giving a flaquk setting. My goto has been DDG primarily for about 10 years. I've struck this unhelpful Meh response on and off the last couple months primarily with slightly off the beaten track queries ...often having to go to something I had to do with Google, using quotes around an often common term I really needed the result to include to finally trying to narrow it down quickly defaulting to no results at all - then having to switch back to Google, where Google would surprise me with at least a handful of suitable results.

Understandable but not everyone in Russia is for that war, even if they have to pay taxes.

It's terribly unfortunate ... but such that it is, I know if I absolutely need results when other alternative search engines are doing little better than Google ... ie not at all, then last try it's Yandex, which has seen more issues creep in the last few years using switch operators, than I recall back in 2015; but any amount of helpful results is better than zero, as well as not wasting hours of my time. But at times sometimes Yandex also strikes out oddly, almost like there's an unseen cabal that have decreed some more or less benign content off limits.

What was the system error message?

This is an area that in some respects is reflective of the net late 90's and early 00's. There's an expectation of a polite procedure ... human eyes will sit and read and arrive at a rough consensus what works, and certain things that might not. Now I would assume you have read the sites guidelines and whatnot after joining almost 2 months ago ... and plenty of topics in Ask have popped up about certain difficulties so I guess the link is not one to your blog - thus the link is most likely to be to a site the forum's algorithms has already blocked.

Yeah the way this story blew up one would think the LLM used black hat hacking methods to attain data. But something mundane does not sell news stories, as well as being very fitting to the narrative at the present moment to curb LLM use via guardrails ... well anyone half smart knows eventually down the track, though filters or other processes, only various qualified people will end up with proper access to powerful LLMs.

Though some lay-people hear and read A.I and think of super human intelligence ... they are better off to think of these brilliant tools in terms of being a really advanced other worldly Super Smart Parrots - occasionally just like some smart parrots, it will exhibit unexpected unintended actions.

Yeah phone working, sit by it, and realise when checking the phone, for reasons unknown there's a recent missed call - that is the worst, especially if it's important and you've been waiting on a reply for a few days for them to have the time to call back. Often I wonder if the person only rang for a second or less, not long enough for the network to ring the phone but at times I get a voice mail ... so maybe not.

BTW, I don't so much mean a spotty network, just spotty voice calls over the network, where it seems there's not enough signal to carry the voice - apparently - but yet still capable for data over a hotspot delivering 100 to 300 kB/s minimum depending on factors like weather or time of day. From what I understand voice data is compressed via voice specific codecs. Most don't use more than 64 kB/s. [1] [2] [3] I think the silent calls are intermittent and by the time I've realised it would be probably pointless to test, however much of the time I could not say if the phone's browser was loading slow or fast as I rarely use any of the phone's functions apart from calls, plain sms texts, occasion to rare use of browser with preloaded tabs and creating a hotspot.

Likewise though not quite the same, over the past years I've had networks where the phone might ring but it is not situated well enough for the signal to be able to carry out any sort of conversation - and yet via a hotspot, downloading near to 1 MB/s without skipping a beat.

I still get some automated phone systems that are apparently not happy with the amount of voice data they are receiving even though what I hear is quite clear, and at times, have from near same time and spot, just rung other people who have not reported any difficulties hearing me. I've eventually learned to just hang up once the menu system goes awry and try a few hours later.

[1] https://www.gl.com/voice-codecs.html (has the codecs with a breakdown below the table)

[2] https://mobilepacketcore.com/glossary/codecs-audio-and-video... (brief overview including media streams )

[3] https://phoneguides.org/voice-codecs/ (Iffy coded site, refused older firefox, janky with a fairly recent chrome based browser)

Certainly the problem of attaining a certain viewpoint is just how well informed one is of the relevant events, issues and facts.

Primarily the nature of interaction within the internet changed after US decreed new laws around 2008, after an inquiry involving Facebook's lack of proper moderation and claims of bullying - the outcome was essentially no anonymous person was allowed to participate in a war of words any more. Pretty much all the global forum software had to follow ... if not the forum software, modified TOS within hosting sites.

XKCD's Duty calls [1] summed up a lot of real interaction found in newsgroups and mailing lists from the late 90's and into the early 00's ... and since then the few various large diverse forums where the users could not self moderate additional content.

Not being that anonymous, small trivial matters may well play out without real world repercussions, but the more important matters, especially involving collusion and outright BS for political mileage, there's always some tool that feels its their job, not to settle the argument with facts, but metaphorically with guns blazing for the thorn in real life. If one has ever landed in hot water through not being that careful, and changed course to be extra careful, they've realised the slow erosion of truly anonymous web proxies that set in around 2009, something most unwelcome. It didn't surprise me in the least in the 10's, slowly seeing all sorts of BS slowly gain traction ... and unfortunately the rise of the anti science cult.

It is unlikely to ever go back unless a totally new social interaction comes to be and far removed from the existing internet or communication laws.

As for search engines, like most things that succeed, let them get popular and then start asking for money ... and then more money ...

[1] https://xkcd.com/386/

Edit for typo and clarity

Australia, regional in Queensland state.

I've noted similar in the three main networks, where I've suspected the load balancing algorithm for traffic adjusts a setting in regard to cut off on signal strength hasn't been quite set right. Obviously at times dealing with extraordinary use at the time, one expects balancing. One network in my locale a few years ago, it was quite clear it was either over subscribed, techs made a mistake adjusting the algorithms ... or just too many people trying to use that particular one tower, and three people in the same spot could often note the three different states the network could be in, none, unavailable, signal - this existed for many months. The balancing has been tuned up a few times since then. I have found when the network's coverage was spotty for voice calls, one could generally use data to get online albeit as slow rates.

Recently the main network I'm using (Optus,) I've noted missed calls that went to voice mail, I have not heard the call at all. I have been blaming signal though I don't have it on me (sits outside the window up high) to ensure the phone has good signal. However on data over wifi, the network often drops out for a minute or more at times.

It's a question that pops up every once in a while. [1] [2] [3]

Muscular and skeletal issues are hard to really define how good the surgery was, if the patient wasn't given appropriate after care and advice or properly informed on how to avoid landing back with the same problem.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/aug/20/when-surgery... (2017)

[2] https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2018/9/12/many-invas... (2018)

[3] https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/11/07/some_surger...

That is sad, Aussie doctor - a Brisbane gastroenterologist.

Though probably not the direct cause - sleep is very important, so are periods where people can relax and decompress at the end of day. Most any job a person works hard in, they can unwittingly become overstretched, being the go to person to get it done right ... or just well enough finished by end of day / shift. Go a few weeks doing 15 hours a day without a break - even strong people can find themselves rattling a little with things that they'd normally consider totally insignificant.

The strange thing is in Australia, or Queensland at the very least, they stopped drivers for truck freight services working long periods [1] due to the danger they posed to other road users, even the more experienced drivers. Yet those that hold life and death based on their action or inaction for people already nearing that edge from living to down a path of departing ...

I suspect though what troubled the poor doctor more was dealing with failings within the immediate medical field, issues with after care, medications and treatments the ward doctor or nurses opted for. Sadly I've seen this first hand, people who should know better eg [2] - I'm not in the medical profession, just armed with a bit of common sense along with a dollop of experiencing a long term gut issue that should have been sorted out in a couple of months and not let drag into years.

An expected death I would suspect would not take as much as a toll as a patient that had a good prognosis but died shortly after. Also there's the nag if from a statistical stand point patient outcome had changed for the worse.

Some things should be no brainers, like do not give osmotic laxitives to someone who is dehydrated, and perhaps blood pressure is not the tell all for a dehydration event ... probably the inability to urinate is more telling. But I'm encountered some such that even over the top things are dismissed, for example if the patient in a hospital ward hasn't drunk much more than a cup (250ml) in a given day, (or additionally less than a cup for more than 14 days,) with little consideration the air is moisture sapping dry due to constant air conditioning, and the urine output is clearly a sign [3] of distress due to insufficient dehydration. No it is not mysterious why such a patient has rallied a little after being administered just a singular bag of IV fluid, nor is it that mysterious when they decline after it has been stopped. Citing blood pressure for the reason there is no dehydration is a sign to me that that medical person needs more training - I've met more than a few in my local hospital system [4] that make that mistake I'm sad to say. Then again, for a number of nurses, nursing comes down more to management rather than care, and they will dutifully carry out their prescribed job function but miss other common sense signs the patient has taken a turn for the worse and needs to be reaccessed by the attending doctor in a timely manner.

[1] https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/whole/html/inforce/c...

[2] The manufactures of Targin have clear guidelines how their slow release tablets should be given, and when not not use them, these directions are not to be ignored, they are not mere suggestions. Subsequently not telling the principal doctor the patient was so out of it they chewed it up and resulting bad side effects were more probable a result of that - rather than leaving the principal doctor to conclude these were as per the origin of illness and treatment path ...

[3] Should not be brown, and volume is multiples of any fluid input for the day

[4] Yeah drop "queensland worst base hospital malpractice" into a good search engine and possibly it might point to the largest town / city south of me.

Australia in the mid 70s was party to the Lima Declaration [1]

Presently there's a lot of yap how it didn't or wasn't the reason Australia lost its way to retain its manufacturing sector. Indirectly though it was bouncing around the walls of Govt and industry's board rooms and pushed decisions to reduce or discontinue ongoing training in regard to upskilling, or simply improving skill sets that might be needed in the unemployed working class.

However much of the shift way from general manufacturing was the inevitable result of the declaration, the inability for a small manufacturer in places like Australia to compete with cheap imports - I recall a relative back in 1979 - 80 having a long rant about a manufacturing company near him - the whole problem was the small dry cells the company purchased at quantity to install into an electronic device - the exact same branded dry cells were available to their oversea competition for next to nothing and could / did sell their version cheaper than the purchase price the company was paying for the batteries per unit.

The other part of the issue was those industries that opted to hang on - the bogey man here again was the thinking that it would be better / overall cheaper for manufacturing sector to be elsewhere overseas. Thus with this mindset setting fruit in the higher branches of the wealth market, there was not much help from Industry heads or Govt at the time to encourage or provide affordable means for whichever industry still hanging on, to modernise - textile being one that comes to mind. I actually had a strong belief (I knew no better from the propaganda being dribbled out,) 80s / early 90s that the reason the textile and clothing industry was falling off was overseas workers were paid a pittance, which made it hard for textile companies here to stay competitive - that was until someone who'd had travelled and had business interests though Asia and the US dispelled the usual propaganda I'd been suckling on, she corrected me on that it's not all sweat shops, and much of the textile base over in Asia had modernised quickly and been computerised for years.

[1] https://www.unido.org/sites/default/files/2012-10/Lima%20Dec... [pdf]

Those who are not that concerned with security will keep using it for a while or possibly look for some third party protection ... those who are worried about up to date security, if they are not able to do so themselves, will take it to a specialist to get something like GrapheneOS (or whatever compatible OS) installed.

The credit card companies have long charged merchants a percentage to use their payment services. In Australia, Visa and Mastercard were typically charging their merchant customers lower rates than American Express -- on chatting with various smaller businesses who are not in a position to negotiate the percentage with AMEX down, AMEX wanted a couple percent more than Visa at approx 4% of the sale price. However in recent years, the customer never sees the full payment cost passed on to them, just a smaller percentage - at a guess 50 - 75 % (Hard to say, bigger companies can negotiate the cost down) of what the merchant pays for processing costs.

Here in Australia when ATM bank cards were introduced and then about the same time with the national Eftpos [1] system, I don't ever recall seeing [myself 1990 onwards] a credit card usage surcharge though Visa or Amex purchases - business were just happy to get those sales from people who might not otherwise have made a purchase.

IIRC it wasn't until the major banks went the way of phasing out plain debit cards (mid 00s) and replacing them with visa debit - where business started to go the route of using visa debit for processing instead of Eftpos, since nearly everyone would have a visa debit card, (I do not, my bank would not provide a Eftpos only,) these business started to pass along a processing fee. When it started to happen I can't say for sure, slow and insidious adoption of passing along the fee means I only recall those external to myself, like family and people I know complaining that various stores were now charging them when they used their card but other stores did not. One would have thought Eftpos fees but on closer inspection the payment was processed via visa ... I do not why some business were not using the Eftpos payment route any more, perhaps the processing system by way of credit services was easier or offered something extra.

Some people have since moved back to cash, even though some stores think they can refuse cash ... but unless the regulations under Credit act in Australia changed in the last 15 years, cash is still legal tender and a system must be in place to accept it - even if that means by way of a temporary account. There are elements in govt here though that would like to track people's spending better ... by banning cash.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFTPOS

For some they might be reaching for quality viewing going to blu ray ... but for those like myself it would the lack of a wide broad field of movie or tv series titles being available on any one streaming service being the reason to look for content elsewhere.

I miss video and dvd rental stores, more so video stores for those in my parts held a far greater range of titles, and generally generous weekly rental terms.

I'd definitely have a bigger dvd collection but for the fact many tv series and movie just didn't become available in Australia due to production issues like music rights.

Baring cooking and reality / docu type shows, I also think the change from where many tv series were 20 plus episodes per series has finally had an impact of viewer consumption.

Even though the power here (North Central Queensland) isn't too expensive, Ergon is run with an aim to make a profit [1] [2] even if the last few years more infrastructure seems to be needing repairs due to changes in weather conditions and or replacing ancient old or relatively new poor quality wooden poles.

Given the power here has periods where it barely goes a day without blinking out, or line repairs that can take almost 2 days now after a somewhat mild storm, there's been a large uptake of solar power panels, those that knew hooked up Island style where they can feed in their own small generator to take advantage of the panels during the day if there was no grid power, more recently batteries have become more affordable, making installation worthwhile.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergon_Energy

[2] https://www.energyq.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/20658... [pdf]

>Operating and financial review

The Company’s profit after income tax equivalent expense was $80.919 million for the year (2023: $225.754 million loss). Revenue from sales of electricity is higher when compared to 2023 due to an increase in notified prices as published by the Queensland Competition Authority in 2024. Residential and small business tariff rates increased significantly for 2024 with price rises of 29 percent and 27 percent respectively. Large business tariff rates rose between seven and 17 percent. Expenses are marginally lower compared to 2023 predominantly due to a reduction in fair value losses. More stable electricity trading conditions contributed to lower market movements on forward electricity derivative contracts.

Organising a random unscheduled bomb finding training exercise is frowned upon, very much like swatting but without the causality.

As for memory - It did remind me though of a song parody by John Safran - Not The Sunscreen Song

>If you're nervous about an exam, ring up your school to schedule time, and make a bomb threat. [1] [2]

[1] https://www.songlyrics.com/john-safran/not-the-sunscreen-son... [lyrics with clickable load for video]

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n67i-QbJaw [parody song]

Obviously not ... here those in govt here in Australia can get raked over the coals for being issued a honorary golf club membership.

Another way to say it, nothing close afaik, for govt misbehaviour comes even close to what happens in Trumpland.

>> Australia passes world’s first law authorizing encryption backdoors

First only as far as a law known to the state's citizens.

I was working on a compression and encryption idea late 80s, very early 90s albeit with too higher a price on compute power which I was hoping to improve -- fortunately I bumped into a bloke though attending a module to improve design who also worked for a company developing software which used encryption, primarily targeting a particular market overseas which would also see sales flow into other countries eventually. On telling him what I was working on he took the time to have a long chat as he lay out the difficulties he and the company he worked for had to deal with especially in regard to this country; as to be able to market the product there, the programs would need a back door ... from what I heard, I'd assume that all sold there at that time had a back door. It was a significant moment for it changed the path I was on, being apparently more or less pointless, I reluctantly moved on as it wasn't worth any more time to provide a free open source program that got around the sale aspect.

Funny thing is, myself online I couldn't give a rats if whomever in those 3 and 4 letter organisations around the world could see my emails, mailing lists etc.

Edit: clarity

Well one can be sure that social media that doesn't target and then funnel vulnerable kids into dark areas, or doesn't disregard child welfare and safety for a few bucks or doesn't use algorithms to create endless engagement, isn't hurting the kids that much.

However to those who can point to people they know who've been to taken to court by their kid basically because they wanted their kids to get off the fucking smart phone and do some homework set by school or catch on an area they've not understood so well ... maybe addictive social media is an agent of harm.

In Australia the public was very much unhappy with social media and where recommendations where taking their more vulnerable children - reportedly some pretty dark morbid areas, not a thing that slowly evolved, just in a short time, wham. The govt iirc end 10's, asked social media to do something about it - too hard.

The laws here have now changed, no more tv stations posting car stealing videos of kids streaming their crimes for cred. Now just like cars, and now some ebikes in Australia, those under 16 should not be using them in public areas. Of course parents of the more robust and capable kids, permit them to ignore these laws, confident the likelihood of harming themselves or others is near zero.

I would say the culture one exists in, has a greater impact on what the norm is for time outside of work. I'd also note one can be surrounded by people but still unable to form any deeper friendship than what exists with the average work associate, so for some guys it should be no surprise their best friend ever is their own spouse.

>Julie Menanno, a couples therapist and attachment-theory expert who is the author of the best seller Secure Love: Create a Relationship That Lasts a Lifetime, thinks the larger issue is that men, married or not, don’t even process the fact that they crave connection. “They’re so disconnected from their emotional-relationship needs that they don’t realize, ‘Hey, I feel lonely.’”

Maybe cultural differences is why I think that has to be the oddest thing to hear a relationship specialist claim.

A lot of married guys I've known (I am myself perpetually single, though seem to be some sort of sounding board for whatever reason) are generally acutely aware if their wife or someone they consider a close friend has withdrawn without any apparent good reasons [1] and are frustrated they not able to connect with their spouse or friend as they once did.

Single guys who've missed finding their sweethearts by their early mid 20s, until a time they still feel not too old to consider the possibility of a wife and perhaps children are generally not about to admit how lonely they feel or immerse themselves in that loneliness - they're more likely to be too busy to notice, life just happens as they work, look for work and spend their moments away from work, with friends and family, fleeting relationships, and casual hookups, while perhaps dwelling on reasons, fate or providence, a need to have a better job, etc, for why they can't seem to find that special someone.

[1] extra commitments due to more work, community involvement, club, P&C (school) association or charity events ...

Not in Australia [1] :) but loss of insects has been observed globally for a few years. [2]

Each year in my locale - Central North Queensland, we've observed less and less insects around the lights at night, less waves of seasonal beetles ... apart from flying ants, it's been about 2 years or more since I've experienced a period where the nights brought a gathering, albeit small in number of little moths.

If only mosquitoes and horse flies in my parts would go the same way ... but that's probably all the little birds and bats are living on.

[1] https://www.organicgardener.com.au/where-have-all-the-insect... [First published 2020, modified 2024]

[2] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/where-ha... [First published 2020, modified 2025]

It's an interesting take / observation on why various people adopt some information from a hard source and later updates or suggestions towards what might be a more accurate explanation are more or less dismissed.

I however reading the article found only what I would consider an abstract: the basis of what sort of new data was later dismissed, hard figures, and an actual study are not included and the article reads more as a thought exercise with appropriate explanations. Still for a certain set of people, I feel it is a very good take like those who've built their role or identity around being right / point of authority in that field, and in an ongoing process of adopting new information quickly by fitting it in around what they already know.

The article however does not delve into mechanisms like denial, and completely misses an important area, more so given the rise of a global anti science cult which has gained great political power over the last decade, any measured level of scepticism on the part of a person who might disregard a correction due to a form of political interference from high above.

The idea all wrong doings should be forgiven ... but with things that defy the norms, IMHO the best one can do is arriving at an understanding for the why, factoring in the reasons and circumstances can be a huge help to one's mental well being, and finally move to a point were one can be civil to the wrongdoer, but always guarded around them or their friends.

Those like myself that choose to view dead posts do see these posts. Not everyone will go back to the last time they visited, maybe a couple of pages of submissions. If from my limited background an otherwise dead topic feels it might meet the site's requirements I can then vouch for. Sometimes there are some sites the algorithm or mods have ... put aside ... that vouching does not help, it stays dead.

Given a long term member (akerl_) replied with what I also think is the troublesome domain - that reply has been marked dead - a guess dead just for containing the site's details ... If I were to guess, no amount of vouching would help. I see another you've submitted since, but from my perspective using the ruler of a good member, it does not meet the threshold - it is about converting some video of a lecture the reader has little idea how interesting it might be for them.

HN has some guidelines regarding the nature of topics it would like ... and how to present them. Better results to be had if the lecture topic is something you think HN members would find interesting.

Edit: too much hurry, not read properly ... skimming always gets me into trouble.

Article: https://thehustle.co/originals/how-do-necco-wafers-paper-rec...

Things that fit the purpose, work, still just as relevant or are very nostalgic keep an interest.

Digital receipts may be nice, but there's an old saying along the lines that to really foul things up just use a computer. It shouldn't be that way, a well managed database with sure fire back ups isn't a problem ... the problems fall more often to, poor backups, an inability to quickly search the database either being a poorly designed database or one with a very poor limited interface ... at other times it's just PEBKAC.

But paper receipts are also easy to lose if one has entrusted a clown to pick up supplies, as well as theft if the receipt is more than just a general invoice.

Smart phones though ... ymmv ... after having an android ... or two fubar unexpectedly, suddenly with little apparent hope of retrieving any data ... email dockets stored in some secure stable email server [never the fubar prone device] are decidedly a better option.

If I were to guess the binge is the event which triggered the dislike but would suspect another negative event at the same time. Given chocolate can also cause some people headaches or just head discomfort - that might have been enough to make the association.

I hear the same sort of thing happens to people when they get seriously sick vomiting furiously - the last thing they ate they find off putting for a time.

Apparently before I was 6 or 7 I loved fried eggs, after a bad hiding ... 45 years went by before able to tolerate them with a lot of hot or bbq sauce.

Old diskettes can be a problem especially storage that suits the white menace bacterial / fungus that can grow on the surface and cleaning can sometimes remedy but unless it's spots that can be got though the window with an ear bud, disassembly is required.

The thing I'd recommend is search of an image of the disks if they exist. Next best is an emulation eg [1] [2] which I found by way of google and yandex

[1] https://www.abandonwaredos.com/abandonware-game.php?abandonw... [2] https://archive.org/details/super-solvers-spellbound-dos-en-...

Clays form a good proportion in some soil profiles in some parts of the world and very much part of the biological system even if it isn't that apparent.

Glyphosate and the by products are certainly safer than many registered herbicides currently available to much of the western world.

The wetter in the formulation of the official Roundup has certainly changed - what I used in the 1990's a few drops of the diluted ready to spray mix accidentally making skin contact would give me a bad headache even if I noticed it right away and washed it off ... when I used the official brand again (for a time, mostly 00's) they priced Roundup out of my farming budget) in the late 10's I noted that I was able to easily wash off any splash back without resulting in a bad headache.

I have been long following the twists and turns that certain big companies, one of which used to own the patent on Glyphosate until 1999 when they let it expire, with a plan to simply create a very large plant in iirc South America which would chase off the competition that have sought to produce Glyphosate for export usage. Unfortunately they put the price up (3x retail here in Australia) due to oil prices costs during the 00's and then China stepped up. I also know they have in place $$$$ BS products to suit their new patented seed which is herbicide ready which when I look over application requirements, complete 100% leaf coverage to work properly implies it is no where near as easy to use as regular roundup.

To be clear I really value Glyphosate as a herbicide as for agriculture it saves fuel, equipment wear and time when used properly. Even so since many are pointing fingers, it is important not to just gloss over any problems that using it might cause, even though I am quite sure there are worse herbicides to be had coming into use having observed this in my immediate locale.

Half life [1] in biological systems isn't quite the same as radioactive decay. Essentially what is being relayed is that after a couple of months generally they are, by measuring the product directly or the secondary and tertiary by products, deducing a time when only half of the active product is left.

Farming systems that use herbicides, are going to cycle though every few years of using Glyphosate, so there's little point IMO of creating a special study that looks into Glyphosate residues over more than a few years where they are monitoring the degree of fractional amount that could remain - there are too many variations of soil types, rainfall and temperature to be greatly useful. Any results of how long it might persist would more likely come from real life examples - areas where its use has been phased out, but the difficulty most (if not all) would not have an accurate starting point of just how much Glyphosate was applied in total, time period and weather conditions to extrapolate carefully.

Detection is different to a noteworthy amount of product that is bound to clay or other particles which has prohibited biological degradation. Many who conduct studies in complex systems are usually focused on just a small number of instances they feel might encompass most of the issue they believe to be at heart ... to the point of dismissing local / on the ground knowledge.

Yes the study used fish which can be useful ... however they tried to simulate using the raw product. It would have been better had they had some water from a month after a paddock was sprayed and used surface or underground flow. What it actually means, for example to those like myself who use it regularly, is there is certainly evidence we have to be doubly careful to ensure no or as little as possible over spray of waterways occurs which contain aquatic life.

A better study might be what results might be when groundwater that has a noteworthy amount, is then heated with bound Glyphosate and it's by products, to simulate cooking and boiling of the water.

>"Nothing to do with soil persistance."

Do you think that if soil was measured for a study it was watered only with distilled water? The purpose of mentioning was to suggest that there's an uncertainty as to what may have been measured.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

Edit: as not was

The tl;dr - even if there were reputable studies, what do the results mean or imply exactly?

There is a study [1] which was via information from the link from the parent comment. Interpretation of results though is the issue. From their method of study, to myself it's clear that storing heavy mineralised ground water in a used Glyphosate spray tank or product drum, is a not a very good idea given the results of the study. It is though a different story for the groundwater given that degradation in soil [2] [3] is measured in half lives and depends on many factors. As for detection - there may well be some complex of Glyphosate that has resisted breaking down a couple decades later, but one would expect the amount would probably be far less that the allowable or typical amount of Glyphosate found in food from crops that have been sprayed with it prior to harvest.

The other question is what breakdown complexes are they measuring for detecting Glyphosate. For years roundup was though to be still be at higher levels of use than it should have been after it was phased out in some European countries ... based on levels detected in rivers. [4] [5] and the preprint via [6] indicate that some detergents were to blame for the higher detection level.

[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41580968/

[2] https://pdf.benchchem.com/1263/Glyphosate_s_Fate_An_In_depth... [pdf]

[3] https://greenfieldesg.com/how-long-does-roundup-last-in-the-...

[4] https://phys.org/news/2024-07-glyphosate-european-rivers-far...

[5]https://uni-tuebingen.de/en/university/news-and-publications...

[6] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378883530_Glyphosat... -> [Preprint] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-3917957/v1