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amazon_not··on Eight Years On, Google Fiber Is a Faint Echo of the Disruption Promised
Not quite. VDSL2 will nominally do 300 Mbps. Actual 100 Mbps service isn't uncommon.

The successor, G.fast, will nominally do a gig, but about 500 Mbps over short loops.

amazon_not··on Mayor quits FCC committee, says it favors ISPs over the public interest
This is a pretty uncontrovesial opinion. A lot of both pro and con network neutrality advocates will agree on that what we actually need is more competition, rather than more regulation.

In fact those that oppose network neutrality will use this very argument to assert that network neutrality should be repealed and all efforts should be made to advance competition and investment instead.

Too bad that when it comes to actually enabling that competition there's a deafening silence.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Satellites are expensive and frequencies are limited. Even if you solve the first, the latter isn't about to change.

Demand is also limited. Not a great combination, so your vision on multiple low cost satellite service providers isn't likely to come true.

There are only a few satellite owners you can buy broadband service from, not a 100. It's capital intensive and past bankruptcies don't bode well for new entrants.

Satellites can and do run satellite to satellite comms, a "mesh" if you like, but it increases latency.

Neither are balloons likely to be a viable long term solution.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Yes, this is pretty much how is works everywhere.
amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
If the point is comparing service in different countries then you can't just pick a single high-end plan and say these things are equal.

I will concede that including discounts make things tricky, even if they are an integral part of the market, but by what measure should MVNOs be overlooked? Unlike in the US, MVNOs in other countries generally have the same access to the network as the MVO service arm.

The fact remains that in Finland you can get a real uncapped and unlimited 4G plan for about twenty bucks. Everything unlimited for under thirty. And capped 4G plans for under ten bucks.

By what measure does the US come even close?

EDIT: for clarification the above prices are all list prices from MVOs, with the exception of the everything unlimited which is from an MVNO. The equivalent MVO plans are a few euro more.

amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
Move the goalposts much?

What point are you trying to make, other than picking random plans?

amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
Where did you get that from? Stokab covers 90% of Stockholm with fiber. 4G and fixed broadband coverage is 100%.
amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
You misread the price list, that's not the cheapest unlimited text, talk and data plan from DNA.

Anyway the cheapest list price for unlimited text, talk and data is from Globetel at 22,85€. https://globetel.fi/liittymät

However, nobody pays list prices, there are always specials as the cell phone companies battle each other for market share. The cheapest offer for unlimited and uncapped 4G is currently 2,90€ per month.

amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
"Up to 150m"
amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
There are existing solutions that use robots to install fiber optic cables in storm drains, sewers and other ducts. Not that cheap, but the biggest problem is that you need permission of the infrastructure owner to do it.
amazon_not··on Community-Owned Fiber Networks: Value Leaders in America
For that same twenty bucks you can get uncapped and unlimited 4G in Finland. Finland has 1/25 the population density of New Jersey. What was your point again?
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Which was just about my point. As this covers the vast majority of all end users, how do you figure your list logically applies?
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
You can buy wholesale Internet bandwidth from most larger ISPs. Get quotes by contacting the carriers in your area. Expect to pay a few grand per month for the pleasure.

Give me a shout for more details.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
I'm going to take a wild guess and say you have never run an ISP.

The answer is people. You need people to "provide a route to the Internet". To answer phones. To fix things when they break.

Running an ISP is far from glamorous and far from just leaning back and skimming the profit.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Define way better. Wireless solutions have many benefits, but they are in no way better in all aspects than fiber.

Fiber has its place, as has wireless.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Fiber lasts for decades. It does not go obsolete. If you want something faster or better change the electronics on each end.

If you are worried about the governed not keeping up, let the government put in the fiber and have somebody else light it.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
How do you figure that when 70% of traffic is streaming?
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Yes, I've heard of them and others, but I think dboreham already put the matter conclusively at rest:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16138402

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Could happen how? The big ISPs don't want to do it voluntarily and the Supreme Court says they don't have to. Just because the ISPs don't want to serve rural areas doesn't mean they want anybody else to either.
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
How are LEO satellites not going to be centrally controlled? It's not like the satellite owners will let you use them for free or be controlled by commercial interests and subject to laws and regulations.

You are also not going to be deploying your own balloon Internet.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
https://www.fcc.gov/general/white-space
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Mesh networking hasn't really worked out. WISPs, i.e. Wireless Internet Service Providers, do a great job at serving rural (and other) areas.
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
There's no way there's going to be subloop unbundling after the Supreme Court killer local loop unbundling.
amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
Already had that in the US until the Supreme Court decided we shouldn't have that in the Brand X case.

It's very, very unlikely to come back.

amazon_not··on Harvard Study Shows Why Big Telecom Is Terrified of Community-Run Broadband
We already have this. It's called white space technology and has so far amounted to pretty much nothing. The technology is immature and expensive plus it provides very little bandwidth.
amazon_not··on How fast are those packets moving?
Only in multimode fiber. Not so in single mode fiber. All subsea cables use singlemode fiber.
amazon_not··on How fast are those packets moving?
> Does the light signal in an fibre optic cable get noisy over distance?

Yes.

> If so, then wouldn't an analog signal amp such as this simply amplify the noise along with the signal?

Yes. That's why there are limits on the reach of amplified networks.

> Decoding and re-encoding would have the effect of 'cleaning' the signal in this case.

Yes, but regenerating the signal introduces complexity, and thus reduces reliability, adds latency and only works for a specific encoding, which makes upgrades impossible. None of these things are wanted at the bottom of the sea for the next 25 years.

> If it does get noisy, where does the noise come from?

There are lots of noise sources. See: http://www.svphotonics.com/pub/pub029.pdf

> The medium?

Yes, partly.

> Leakage from outside the cable?

No. Although vibrations can cause noise.

amazon_not··on How fast are those packets moving?
> Is it the case that they're still too expensive or are we talking old legacy long haul infrastructure that hasn't been updated yet?

No, all long haul subsea fiber optic cables use all optical amplifiers. They are just colloquially called repeaters.

amazon_not··on How fast are those packets moving?
> That looks like single mode fiber never refracts…

No, it does.

> Surely it can't go round any bend, then, though?

No, if you bend the fiber too much the light leaks out into the cladding.

amazon_not··on How fast are those packets moving?
Single mode fiber isn't immune to dispersion or other impairments, it just does better than multimode.
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