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I'm not surprised, given how many lousy places to work there are out there. But there are plenty of shops where this isn't the case. And where developers do in fact care what the customer thinks, because this obviously (if only slightly indirectly) correlates with the organization's chances for long-term success and revenue, and all that stuff.

None of which has anything to do with Agile of course (because the same issues existed and were dealt with thousands of years before the AM descended to earth, accompanied by angles).

But just saying - yes, actually giving a shit about what the customer thing is a thing, and always has been a thing (at better shops at least).

Probably because for most of us they never existed - and yes, of course I mean "pre-agile".

This whole "before Agile it was all waterfall and no one could conceive of anything differently and oh my brothers, let me tell you what a nightmare it was" cant is just that - a cant, something people like to repeat without thinking about whether it has any actual validity in, you know, actual reality. In other words, a myth.

There have always been good shops and bad shops; but like the sibling commenter said, (in the better shops) people have been working iteratively for decades and decades before the Agile Manifesto descended to earth on a ray of light, accompanied by angels.

But where agile really shines is when the problem is poorly understood and the solution not well defined.

Which problems people, again, had already been solving for decades and decades before the AM.

Such negativity

"Negativity" is not only an appropriate, but a healthy and necessary response to the never-ending stream of cargo-cult tripe and talking point nonsense that is Agile.

The first-class citizens might as well take pity on them, after all.

Compared to what? Los Angeles? Cairo?

Less sarcastically: I get your point, but it's a tradeoff. It's a beautifully car-free (and just plain beautiful and eminently livable) city otherwise. Yes, you do have to be careful about the bikes (as one must with cars, buses, and trucks, motorbikes and scooters just about anywhere else) -- but wherever you go, you pick your battles.

Not "an employee", but an apparently very senior "communications official".

I'm not sure what that quotation showed about Facebook's work environment.

For starters: a management culture that is profoundly cynical, and completely devoid of principle.

So you're saying that the descendants of the original indigenous owners, who had their land basically stolen from them by some combination of deceit, force, and outright genocide ... are "irrelevant NIMBYs"?