Their steps toward their vision of gender equality make it even more difficult for men who didn't attend a prestigious university to be accepted.
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For example, take a look at this thread from about three months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7662013
He labeled the submission itself a "troll" (and locked it) because it generated what he called "high-indignation, low-information" responses. Read the responses and decide for yourself. It's pretty clear that "high-indignation, low-information" just means "doesn't support my ideology".
> it would be healthier if people stop this self persecution
If only it were self-persecution.
It's actually persecuting other (infinitely less powerful) white men and boys by implying "You—as a member of the group who will be most negatively affected by the policies we are discussing—are not allowed to object."
Yes, you would go to jail for recording the sex act (assuming a jury didn't show mercy on you), but you would not go to jail for the rape you didn't commit.
In terms of your future reputation and life opportunities, it's much better to go to jail for recording a sex act than for a rape you didn't commit.
> I’m not wild about the precedent that [suing for libel] sets for other women to come forward in cases of actual sexual assault.
Very, very, very few men have the wealth, fame, connections, and social media presence that Max has. He can defend his reputation; most men can't. He has to know this.
He is openly trying to set the precedent that suing over a very public false accusation is somehow anti-women. That's just gross.
Women tend to feel unsafe in situations in which they are statistically not unsafe, at least when compared to men. In fact, men are overwhelmingly more likely to fall victim to violent crime, including violent crime from strangers.
However, because of sycophants like you, a woman must merely say "I felt so unsafe and threatened when the man in the mall wouldn't take the hint that I wasn't interested in talking to him!" for her to suddenly become an example of western injustice against women.
> If it's the latter, he needs to know that it's not an okay attitude to have in our society.
It's not okay to even believe men have it worse (which is itself a subjective measure)?
A thought exercise for our friendly, reasonable, fact-driven hangman:
If far more men than women were graduating from college; if men universally received far lighter prison sentences than women for the same crimes; if young men were earning more than young women; if women had zero reproductive rights beyond "don't have sex with a fertile man"; if women were overwhelmingly more likely to fall victim to violent crime, including (but not limited to) murder; then would you not make a public, loud, brave scene about how unfair life is for women?
For men and women born since the mid-1980s, absolutely. And crime, education, and income statistics support my assertion.
In the United States, 77.8% of homicide victims are male.
But no, Sean is having a public anxiety attack because a company chose a photograph of two actual attendees in a photo booth who chose chose to dress slightly more provocatively than his sensibilities allow.
Sean isn't being brave. He's sucking up to women in an extremely politically expedient way.
When three men and three women are murdered, we focus completely on the women. When men are overwhelmingly disproportionately the victim of homicides, violent crime (including violent crime from strangers), we instead choose to have a society-wide struggle session[1] on the plight of western women.
Western culture is hypersensitive to women's issues. In particular, hyper-affluent White men seem to derive some carnal pleasure from throwing other men under the bus.
As long as people care far more about the plight of women than the plight of men, and as long as Twitter/HN activists mock anyone who points out the compassion disparity ("WHAT ABOUT TEH MENZ?"), we're never going to achieve anything resembling equality.
Come on, man! He's not doing that! He was responding to this claim you made just two posts above:
> I don't think anyone is saying that white men are a "problem". There's so much defensiveness in these counter-articles coming out as though this is some specific attack on white males.
Despite Asian people being overrepresented and White people being underrepresented—in fact, despite Asian men being the most overrepresented of the demographics listed by Google (honestly: congrats!)—CNN and other media go for the fashionable target: White men.
It's interesting: When Asian people succeed, White people admire their hard work and determination. When White people succeed, White people feel shame and guilt.
He probably had that reaction because that's almost always the undertone in American discussions about diversity. It's never actually about reaching relative demographic parity.
Example: Google's charts show whites as slightly underrepresented compared to the working-age population at large and Asians as vastly overrepresented. Despite that, on their brand-new diversity-at-google page[1], what group do they choose to highlight? Asian Googler Network (AGN), under the banner "Connecting and advancing the Asian community at Google".
Interesting, huh?
I hate making comments like this, because it sounds like I'm resentful toward Asian people for their success. I'm not. I love it. Keep at it, guys and gals.
I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of the situation.
> It is beyond question (although I'm sure you question it) that white people are by far the most privileged group of people around today.
"Beyond question"? That's a quasi-religious thing to say. What about Asian-Americans? And what happens when you separate Jewish White Americans from non-Jewish White Americans? Do things change in your mind?
> You may have been disadvantaged in other ways, but by being white you do have an advantage, whether you like it or not.
It's complicated. In many ways, for a given income level, White American children do have it worse than American children of other ethnicities. One minor (but personal) example: They are the only children repeatedly and harshly conditioned to feel guilt and shame toward their ethnicity's success. That really messes you up as you're growing up.
Back to Google. According to your HN profile, you work there. What is the extent to which employees' lives at work are affected by Google's new-found focus on demographic diversity, and how has this cultural shift effected the company's output?
I wonder the extent to which Googlers' lives at work are affected by Google's new-found focus on diversity.
When a company's culture shifts, so will its output. It's inevitable.
If the demographic data for founders looks anything like the demographic data in the linked blog post, White people would be almost perfectly(!) proportionally represented, given the percentage of working-age Americans who are White. White men would indeed be over-represented, and Asian men would be the most over-represented of all.
If non-Jewish White people are underrepresented among successful tech founders, does that not represent an upstream issue?
Many White people are socially conditioned from a young age to reflexively feel guilt and disgust toward the success of White people.
> I believe that economic gains made by whites at the expense of other races because of past racist policies reinforced by a historical power imbalance should not be reinforced.
If you want to try to accurately and fairly "unwind" historical sins (good luck), don't just target White people. And certainly don't pretend that modern White people are the only people who benefit from the those past sins.
Regarding White people in the tech industry, here's something for you to consider: White people in tech are over-proportionally Jewish. As you approach the top of the industry, Jewish people become more and more over-represented.
At the very top of the tech industry, I'd be stunned if fewer than 40-60% of people were Jewish.
Mark Zuckerberg?
Larry Page?
Sheryl Sandberg?
Sergey Brin?
Michael Dell?
All Jewish. A quick Google search reveals countless others (and frankly, good for them).
With these facts in mind, do you think we should push to recruit more non-Jewish White people in tech?