XFCE is good yes. I don't understand why anyone has problems with it. It's perhaps projecting. They're projecting. Wishing their San Bernadino OS Eleven looked as good as XFCE. It takes nine minutes to set up an XFCE desktop looking better than OS XI San Bernadino. So I mean, obviously they're retro-projecting or whatever we'd call it. XFCE for life.