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WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
The police are the tax man. But we would still have self-defense so we would not have to submit to a thief. If you don't want to pay for the courts and the justice system then no, you would not be entitled to use that justice system.

It's the government that makes the rules, they decide to make people homeless for not paying property taxes, and to charge sales tax on food, even for the destitute. In my city this winter a homeless person was bothered by the cops, they stole his blanket, and then he froze to death where they left him outside. Ask anyone who's been homeless if they fear the police or not.

WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
If you don't pay income taxes they might throw you in jail. No private debtor can do that.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
A system like that could work if you are actually presented with the social contract when you turn 18 and you can choose to sign it or not. I never consented and my ancestors can't consent for me. I'm glad you are acknowledging that the government owns all the land and we are merely renters and they can increase the price every year however they want. But that still doesn't explain why the government can throw us into jail for doing things like not paying income tax. Surely if the problem is that we aren't paying the bill we should be allowed to leave the country, but we are told we aren't allowed to leave the country. So the government claims the right to own us. We never consented, we have no way to express that we do not consent, they own all of our property, and own our bodies, and our only option is the leave the country which is very difficult. What great benefit are we getting from all this? To live in a 1st world country? But the reason 3rd world countries are terrible is because they violate the rights of their citizens even more than 1st world countries do. Well managed countries that give their people freedom quickly develop and become nice places to live. And this seems like a good deal to you? You're satisfied that we have reached the peak of human flourishing and can not be improved upon any more?
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
"Give people a choice, and they'll only pay for what benefits them personally." This isn't actually true, people pay to charities all the time. We used to have a robust system of mutual aid societies before the government squashed them. And if someone chooses to only pay for what benefits the personally, that's their right.

"People won't pay for schools to educate other people's children, or schools that teach a curriculum with which they disagree." People donate to schools and set up scholarships for the poor. But we expect parents to pay for the needs of their children for everything else, including daycare, feed, housing, etc. And if a parent can't afford the property taxes they will be made homeless. And why should someone be forced to pay for a curriculum they disagree with?

"They won't pay for libraries whose books they don't read" People set up little free libraries, no reason it couldn't be set up in a larger scale, all paid for voluntarily without taking people's homes if they don't pay. I would say housing is more of a need than a library. And everything is practically free online already. But a library could be a service built into your mutual aid society along with the school for your kids.

"or for parks, because homeless people hang out there." We pay a few bucks every time we go to the arboretum, and if we wanted to we could pay a yearly fee to become members. Our HOA pays for the local park. No reason to steal people's houses to pay for a park, creating homeless people. Why am I paying so much money in taxes if society isn't even going to take care of homeless people? I would want my tax dollars to go to that before a park or a library!

"People will just buy smoke detectors and not fund the fire department." Well, I hope we all have fire detectors. There's no reason that fire protection can't be bundled in with your homeowner's insurance, which is required by your mortgage holder. The city has no liability if the house burns down and the fire department fails to save it. Let the homeowner's insurance, which carries the liability, hire the fire fighters.

"People won't fund the police, they'll just buy insurance or keep a gun under their pillow." The Parkland school shooting victims would tell you that the cops didn't help them, and the court ruled that the police had no obligation to protect those children, and it was fine for them to wait outside while they knew children were being shot. If you want to pay for police protection that's fine, but if someone wants to hire a private security firm, (which could be bundled in with homeowner's insurance like fire protection), or own a gun, or organize a local gun club, or whatever, that's fine. It would keep the local police department honest if they knew that if people didn't like their service they would stop paying.

"They won't pay to fix the roads unless they're inconvenienced by a pothole." In some places the government is terrible at fixing potholes and Domino's Pizza is doing it. But this should be paid for by the gas tax as I explained in detail in a different comment to someone else. If you choose not to drive, and choose not to pay for the roads, you shouldn't have your house taken, you just shouldn't be allowed to drive on the roads.

"And welfare and other social programs would just vanish altogether." Well this just isn't true at all. We used to have mutual aid societies that worked really well. But then the government put regulations on them and started government programs that did many of the same things like social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance, etc. We still have insurance for many things the government doesn't cover like life insurance, health insurance, disability insurance, etc. And if people do find themselves without a mutual aid society, or insurance to help them when someone thing happens there are people willing to help. We saw how people stepped up to work the food banks during the lock-down and there was a lot of need. Food stamps doesn't pay for much and there was still need and charity stepped in.

"Most people would refuse to pay any taxes at all to a government run by a political party they didn't vote for." That sounds great to me. People wouldn't have to fight anymore. I have neighbors that are Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, Protestant, Jewish, Mormon, and we don't fight about it. We can all go to our place of worship, tithe or give money to whatever organization we want, follow whatever rules, etc. But when it comes to government policy, like what will the taught in the schools, then it becomes a fight. We had a school board meeting be done virtually last minute because the school board claimed they were afraid for their safety because so many angry parents were showing up. If we are getting to the point where we can't even have a school board meeting without fear of violence, it's time to try freedom.

"There's a reason taxes are collected at the point of a gun - you can't trust public altruism to fund a modern state." Yes, the reason is because this is the way the King of England did it, so we did it, and we're still doing it, even though it's not right. It's not like anyone has seriously considered it, tried it, found it lacking and decided to go back to the old way. That's why these ideas sound so foreign to you and you have so many questions. Few have ever seriously considered this before.

WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
I'm trying to reply but the website makes me wait between comments, probably because I have a new account.

There are lots of ways to raise money that don't involve throwing people in jail or confiscating their property for not paying. Pay per service is one, but not the only one. One should be able to cancel their subscription to government services and not have to pay. The Amish already do this for payroll taxes, do they are exempt because they have a mutual aid society that takes care of their medical and retirement needs.

We already live under a regressive tax system, especially for local governments which rely on sales and property taxes. Our current tax system is not convenient, and we pay a lot for poor service.

It would be silly to make a fuss over someone using a park if they don't pay taxes, but it could be dealt with like any other trespassing. My local park is paid for by the HOA, not the government, and it's not that big of a deal. We already have a system in place for paying for the roads. We pay the gas tax, and we have a system where you have to have a driver's license and insurance, and in many places you have to pay property taxes and/or sales tax on your car, and pay registration fees. It would be a simple matter to suspend someone's license for not paying taxes. Or you could decide to allow non-tax-payers to drive as long as they pay the gas tax when they fuel up.

I'm not saying that the government shouldn't necessarily do those things, but people should have the option to get their needs met by different organizations and not have to pay if they wish. For social needs like healthcare, education, welfare, that is very easy to do, just like the Amish do. Subscribe to a different organization that takes care of those things, and they will probably have a tithe or fee requirement, and rules, and that's fine as long as the person agrees to it. The only problem with the government system we have now is that we have no way of consenting or not consenting, and if we disobey, even if we are being peaceful and aren't violating anyone else's rights, we can be thrown in jail or have our property confiscated. It would really be quite simple to fix the flaw in the system. The only reason we haven't is because we're going off of a system made by people who were thinking outside of the box by rejecting monarchy. We then rejected slavery, gave rights to women, etc. We are still figuring out how to be moral.

WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
I was not rich when I started believing this. My pipeline was Ron Paul then I read everything I could on Mises.org website, a lot of with were the writings of Murray Rothbard. But I listen to a lot of audiobooks from all kinds of authors about philosophy and politics. I do pay taxes, though, out of fear.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
They could stop taking your calls, but that's better than being thrown in jail or having your home confiscated for not paying taxes. And also, those who have an issue with corruption in their local police department could choose to not pay taxes that support the cops and instead hire a private security firm, or form a local gun group.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
Half the American population uses private health insurance, but yes. It is better to lose services than to go to jail or have your home confiscated for not paying taxes. And some people can choose to join mutual aid societies that provide these services on a voluntary bases.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
The sovereign citizens trip up because they image there is some legal loophole to allow them to opt-out. There is not. But there should be.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
Thank You!
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
Yes, property and sales taxes are regressive taxes. But all taxes should be voluntary because the government doesn't own you or your property.
WincysWife··on Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist'
Same as what happens when you don't pay your utility bills, your services stop.