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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
DIY on zinc - There is an entire industry of antiviral zinc sprays, lozenges and pills. Zinc stops viral replication deader than your prefrontal lobes:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=zinc+halts+viral+replication&t=ope...
Like I said, we have herein a safe treatment that is cheap, available, and free of risk, namely
1. immediate zinc lozenge/spray/pill dissolved in mouth to be applied early (preferably first 3 days) of illness, and possibly every day thereafter +
2.Chloroquine phosphate (up to 500 mg/day).
Some links for Chloroquine phosphate:
"Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies":
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-02-13/fighting-co...
L.A.Times article with links (feel free to chase the links yourself) that gives more detail about the above paper cited:
"A more unorthodox remedy being tested against the coronavirus in China is chloroquine.
The drug is intended to treat malaria, a condition caused by a parasite transmitted through a mosquito bite. A limited number of studies suggest the drug can work against SARS. In laboratory tests, it kept COVID-19 from spreading by blocking its method of infecting cells, according to a report last week in the journal Cell Research."
The Chinese source re chloroquine, was posted on ycombinator by sp332 3 hours ago (I quote him below):
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bst/14/1/14_2020.01047/...
"This summarizes the results of a bunch of trials that were run in parallel in China."
You can do your own search for information on the effects of zinc on viruses and in particular corona viruses - it's old story (dating back to circa 1970s at least), the results have created a entire industry of zinc-related products (zicam et al).
"Dr. Badu Sarkodie, the Director of Public Health, Ghana Health Service (GHS), says they have no evidence that Chloroquine Phosphate 250mg is an effective treatment of the flu-like coronavirus (COVID-19).
He was reacting to claims on social media that Chloroquine Phosphate 250mg had been found by French and Chinese doctors to be effective for treatment of the virus.
Dr. Sarkodie in an interview with the Ghana News Agency (GNA) said although the claim sounded promising, the GHS had not had any efficacy clinical trial to confirm that.
They could therefore not make any recommendation for the use of the drug to treat the virus.
"I cannot dispute the claim so the person saying this should provide more information because we have not sighted any publication to this effect," he added."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide
At least he could demonstrate to the great unwashed masses that sometimes even excellent leadership is no cure.
Michael Pence?
Bernie Sanders?
Joe Biden? or, dare I say it,
Hilary Clinton?
There is an abundance of leadership: however, in many instances the leadership is unnecessary and/or ineffectual. One underlying problem is that those of us brought up as political science majors think they should, indeed, _must_ do something, anything! Better that they wait, watch, proceed with caution and steer within their legal limits.
wonderwonder says> "Health leaders are urging isolation while at the same time elected leaders from a certain party are going on TV and twitter and urging people to go out to restaurants and bars."
Here you paint with a broad brush, smearing all Republicans because of the statements/actions of a handful. Shame, shame. And if those few truly believe that the situation is not as bad as you believe, well then, what would you do? Incarcerate them? Is it not better to merely correct or chastise those who are wrong rather than use them as an instrument to slur millions of innocent people?
wonderwonder says> "thousands are dying in Europe".
It is about one and one half thousand dead right now. More will die of course. "Thousands"? Why exaggerate so? The situation is bad, by why alarm when alarm does no good, indeed harms?
wonderwonder says> "With no captain is anyone surprised the ship appears to be drifting? Pence appears to be doing his best but he is clearly handcuffed..
Vague, poetic, and simply wrong. All those who know what to do are doing it ASAP. Pence is handcuffed because he is the vice president and has no assigned tasks other than what the President allows. He's a backup drive for the President: if the President dies Pence will be plugged in and powered up. Until then he'd be foolish to take a pro-active role.
wonderwonder says> " there is literally zero true planning going on. ".
Everybody who _can_ plan is planning. There is likely too much planning and not enough paying attention to what is in front of us. You are not privy to the planning (probably for good reason - people will take advantage of such situations to make themselves rich or even, dare I say, gain some obscure political advantage!-). "*
I could go on but I've made my point. Better to condense your political views into a post 1/5 the length, omitting the misleading and/or false parts. Sadly, when i reread the post, I find little that does not mislead. You are clearly literate; you can pen a sentence well; you can do much better.
You most likely won't NEED to see a doctor simply because you have a coronavirus symptom - you may have something else entirely or only a mild case of coronavirus. After all, most people recover quickly from coronavirus.
Don't hesitate to ask your hotel for help. Do they have a nurse or doctor on call whom you can speak to? Let them know you're ill and how ill. Many hotels will support your own self-management by periodically checking on you (calling and checking on you every 4-6 hours, etc.), providing over-the-counter medications or, if necessary, calling 911 to dispatch emergency personnel to transport you to the ER.
However should you develop respiratory distress or fever over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (coughing and sneezing optional) then get thee to the Emergency Room as soon as possible. Don't wait and don't worry about insurance.
Best of luck!
Hospitalization should be symptom-based rather than disease-specific. It matters not if disease is a consequence of Covid-19, SARS or bacterial infection - in all cases the individual needs hospitalization and observation.
We should focus on what remains: managing the outbreak. People fall into two categories:
- Those who can easily die from this flu (or some other flu, e.g., SARS): the elderly, the immune-compromised, those with cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic respiratory diseases, and cancer.
- Everyone else.
The hospital care gatekeepers' protocol:
Those patients who exhibit signs of the terminal phase of flu/pneumonia should be quarantined: hospitalized, observed and treated until they are out of danger (or die). This is the phase where specialized drugs: antivirals, antiinflammatories et al are used.
Those patients who do not exhibit signs of the later phase of flu/pneumonia should be sent home with instructions.
It seems that this is well within our capabilities: we have the knowledge to manage the outbreak, we have the skills and we have the hospital beds. If we need more hospital beds it should be easy to turn various facilities into temporary hospitals in short order. We have organizations that do this for other disasters: tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, etc.
Passengers on cruise ships should be examined by gatekeepers and either released or hospitalized.
I've got friends calling and panicking over this unnecessarily. I see people on TV saying "We don't even have tests!" when tests IMO are not necessary.
We have all we need to handle this - let's do it.
The only claims I have read are of limited tortures (e.g., waterboarding, freezing, isolation, playing bad music, etc.) that are allowed by Western democracies sometimes.
I simply cannot believe that more intense torture techniques (say, those used by criminal elements) will not result in an individual revealing whatever he knows (or dying).