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It is baffling me how much I'm defending this proposal because I don't actually think it's a sensible company but they really really do not do this.
> As conduction and convection to the environment are not available in space, this means the data center will require radiators capable of radiatively dissipating gigawatts of thermal load. [...] This component represents the most significant technical challenge required to realize hyperscale space data centers.
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> A 5 GW data center would require a solar array with dimensions of approximately 4 km by 4 km
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> A 1m x 1m black plate kept at 20°C can radiate about 850 watts to deep space, which is roughly three times the electricity generated per square meter by solar panels. As a result, these radiators need to be about one-third the size of the solar arrays, depending on the radiator configuration.
Seriously, what more of an acknowledgement do you want? The paper covers everything you are complaining about in pretty plain and frank language.
The stated long run goal was $2-3m, per Elon Musk, and if you put aside practicalities like limits on how big the market is, and then not having a robust heatshield design yet, it's fundamentally coherent, because of full reuse.
If you're looking for more practical medium term numbers, Gwynne Shotwell suggested around the $50m mark would be an early price goal.
But it's also, the proposal is to build a 4km x 4km array in space, and the main reason to do this now rather than say a data center in the Sahara is permitting, skipping storage, and solar utilization. The last two are rather silly reasons when the cost of solar panels is taking a nosedive and cheap energy enables dumb storage solutions, and permitting, well, let's just take as given that it's right and permitting really is that hard. That still only gives you an advantage after you scale to the point your permits would be denied, and whereas a Falcon 1 didn't really have competition so could get away with cost inefficiency, a mini compute cluster in space is competing against a terrestrial server rack.
None of the arguments seem physically implausible. Launch can get to <$5m/Starship. You can build 20km² of solar and radiation. You can hook up 5 GW of compute with remote space vehicles. It's just really shockingly hard in an Apollo sort of way. Somehow I doubt the permitting will be easy either.
You can tell solar+storage is cheaper than anything else except conditionally wind at least in the US because people have stopped building new generation capacity for anything else.
* Take surface space that can be better used for walkable densification, or are already taken by roads.
* Produce significant atmospheric and noise pollution, even from EVs.
* Conflict at cross-traffic, especially so for dense road networks like grids.
* Have to navigate around building geography, so for example can't support high speed turns.
* Conflict with pedestrians so are limited in speed and have to support frequent stopping points.
* Have no central routing and control for journeys so suffer unbounded traffic, even where additional vehicles lower capacity.
* Are hard to add to existing developments that need additional capacity.
* Don't have out-of-line stations for on- and off-boarding.
Add to this the differences you've already mentioned, like uniform taxies rather than mixed private cars, a comparative ease of automation, and being additive to existing network capacity rather than conflicting with it.
I agree the article was fun and had charm. My criticisms were more narrow than that.
A single-tunnel Boring Loop isn't competing against the 10th busiest subway, though. Even if Boring Loop were competing against New York City Subway, at $2.5B/mi you could build something like 50 parallel lanes at the same cost, and 2350m/50 is only ~50m. Space them out a bit so it's actually driveable and you're probably still ahead with Boring Loop, even assuming the trains are running full (which is not default).
Now, if you did invest enough for 50 parallel lanes you clearly wouldn't want to do 50 parallel lanes; they pack awkwardly, don't make sense to centralize that much if you design doesn't force you to, and you go from having a regulatory advantage of being able to build under city roads to a regulatory nightmare of asking to build 50 parallel lanes underground. It makes much more sense to build point-to-point connections out like a road network, and bring in more traditional mass transit where you have particularly busy connections that can't be handled with a reasonable number of lanes.