Roybatty

Scala had its chance, and it didn't work...no matter what Martin and his boys, and his minions want.

Kotlin will take over Java. That is fact. Mark my words on 11/05/2011.

Your problem is that you think that Scala can overcome its perception problem. No, it can't. Scala is history and will never be anything. Look to Kotlin.

Someone said Dylan so I just respond...my favorite language of all times :)

Kotlin will cure the Scala curse. Scala is history...no matter what Odersky and pals try to recover it from. Scala is history...it's time to market and bad perception...adios..

Kotlin will be the successor to Java.

The vast majority of Java developers are very, very comfortable with static typing and the most advanced IDEs in software development.

Clojure with its s-expressions and dynamic typing is going nowhere except for some small, high-brow teams...just the way it is.

Scala lost its opportunity a while back with its perception problem and lack of IDE support.

Scala has a time to market and a perception problem. Look for Kotlin to be the Scala that Scala never will be.

Because there's like 3 dudes (maybe a half a dude if you think full-time) that are working on Mirah.

Mirah is cool, but from what I've seen Charlie still has to work on JRuby fulltime and there's no IDE support.

Jetbrains has pull, and I believe Kotlin will be the language that knocks Java down finally.

No, no, no. Our fancy, schmancy IDEs can produce the code for us, but we still have to read the Java boilerplate.

The difference is that we won't have an Emacs/Vim plugin for years and years after it's initial release. Plus, it's not a dynamically typed language and not Scala

" However, any Java programmers could have made the switch to Clojure or Scala to keep working with the JVM"

Clojure is a nonstarter for the vast majority of Java programmers for obvious reasons, and Scala has a perception problem.

Even though Kotlin is still essentially vaporware for those outside Jetbrains, we know that it'll have at least decent (if not great) IDE support right off the bat when the alpha/beta is released.

I think that Kotlin could be the Java successor that Scala never will be.

What country would force food to be priced proportionally to its calories - N. Korea, Cuba, or maybe that's the next step for Denmark?

Do you really want to see that experiment?

I'll pass on whatever Paul is smoking. I guess there's a psychological condition (I'll coin it Slashdotitis), where the downfall of Microsoft is just right around the corner - or in Paul's case it has already happened.

Here's a cluestick. HTML (even with AJAX) is not a freaking platform. Wake me up when Google has an actual platform. Until then, Paul can go live in the fantasy world with Larry Ellison where the networked thin client was going to take over years ago. Yawn.