edit: classic anti-left liberal, not "american progressive" liberal
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edit: classic anti-left liberal, not "american progressive" liberal
Culture rules. People are not far-sighted logical market agents.
Consider the opposite: If sharing your salary is so inoffensive, why do companies go to great lengths to stop you from doing it, necessitating enshrined legal protections (that most people are unaware about)?
Without that, people without industry contacts or knowledge can get utterly screwed.
Hire someone else for a ton extra, refuse me a raise, and I'll leave.
That is, if that information was available. Kinda convenient that it isn't, huh?
I'm being hired for my software skills, not my negotiation skills. The fact that negotiation is so important is cargo culting from business-types who benefit from it.
(I happen to be quite savvy at negotiation, but I've seen many shy people exploited because they're not as cocky as me).
More to the point,
1) If my team was hiring a new guy with skills indistinct from mine for 50k extra, and I found out about it, I'd ask for a raise. If they refused, I'd quit on the spot.
2) If the skills are indeed a whole class above mine, they'll probably have a different title, and it's much less of my concern (I wouldn't call it "a fluctuation among members in my team").
Information may not always make things better, but it always -- no exceptions -- makes a market more efficient.
Moreover, stop focusing on two team members fighting against each other. The big prize here is employees finding out how much their bosses make, especially when it comes to "tightening belt" periods. I don't honestly care if Jeff-next-door is getting 20k extra because he plead for his newborn, but I absolutely care if my salary gets frozen and my boss gets a bonus.
Opponents to salary transparency are basically arguing for an inefficiency that favors higher-ups, preying on the ignorance of less resourceful subordinates.
I'm questioning whether this raise will usually immediately make you the best paid person on your new team.
Employers usually have an HR team that is dedicated to knowing what the labor market looks like. They may not know exactly your previous salary, but they keep very up to date tabs on industry trends. They also know exactly how their current human resources are paid.
You know nothing except your past salary. They have more cards than you do.
Public salary means they know your past salary, but it also means you know what they pay their current employees, and can negotiate accordingly.
The only way this is not beneficial to any given employee is if they think they are a huge positive outlier.
edit bc hn limits me if I post like 3 times in short succession:
I don't think you understand the public policy implications of this.
The vast, vast majority of people aren't negotiating 20k increases. And people who are negotiating far more, like CEOs, do fine even with public information out there.
The equation here is one of giving employees more bargaining power over employers. An insignificant proportion of employees currently benefit from secrecy, and many of them aren't even sure they benefit, they just suspect they do.
If it's all "rounding errors", as you say, consider how this alters the dynamics between you and your bosses, not only between you and your peers.
what a world
Else, as first poster said, the process is tyrannical.
I really don't think this is correct. It may not be a foolproof deterrent, but it's certainly a deterrent.
I don't like when this argument is trotted out for gun control and I don't like it here.
depressing thought
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and use fprint all over the placethat little chevron trick is bad imo
I find it callous to decry the poor decision-making of poor people, eg: someone buying a fashion accessory when they're struggling to pay rent, and then go on to defend advertisers in a cavalier buyer-beware kind of way.
A few months back, Matt Bruenig nailed it: "The unwritten story of the Juicero debacle is that high income inequality causes capital to be misallocated towards luxury production."
I don't really like any news organization very much, so instead anytime a political/current events piece pops up here and I like it, I check to see if the author has a Twitter account, and follow them on there. Then, via their RTs and posts, I discover new journalists. If they consistently put out good stuff, I follow them too.
As an example, someone here once put out a piece about Silicon Valley and politics by Emmett Rensin, which I thought was spot-on. Rensin showcased Nathan Robinson, then Abi Wilkinson. And so on and so on.
If you keep a sufficiently varied crowd of followers, geographically and topically, you always see RTs of pertinent news events from eg: BBC, Reuters, AP, or what have you.
In essence, what some of these services do algorithmically, I rely on humans for. As a result I seem to be aware of just about any current event topic that comes up, so it's working for me.
Don't use Twitter like Twitter itself suggests, e.g: "Follow Lebron! Follow Donald Trump! Follow CNN!". Add people very very judiciously, so that your feed looks like the news aggregator you wish to see.
Seems like cargo cult moderation to me.
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But that's just me.And as for the suicide point, I'm not challenging the idea that US forces are depressed or suicidal. I'm challenging the idea that they're depressed and suicidal because they're such compassionate warriors that they feel their victims' pain and suffer for the deaths that they cause or some such nonsense. I think these are much more related to the drudgery and boredom of this new form of warfare.
I'd address the definition point or the Canadian sniper point, but I'm busy. I will check back later and see if I can complete this.
- Edward Peck, former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq (under Jimmy Carter) and former ambassador to Mauritania
For what it's worth, I'm not american (canadian), but your post reads like pure unadulterated american propaganda to me. Stuff like putting "communist revolutionaries" in quotes, repeating the unsourced myth that american patriot soldiers suffer with suicidal ideation because they feel remorse, etc.
It's like we're from two different worlds.
e.g. bell hooks' film stuff, The Bechdel Test, Anita Sarkeesian's work, etc.
This problem forms in large part because men are too attached to media that reinforces notions of women as secondary people, objects, and reward trophies.
The problem is that people's empathy with women going through harassment abruptly stops when they themselves are implicated in some manner.