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[EDIT: I want to be clear - I am NOT saying that it could never be the case that some form of "being" exists outside of what appears to us as a finite biological existence, I am merely pointing out that we have no evidence of this kind of existence, aside from vague spiritual feelings and experiences which are difficult to evaluate, so the skeptical position is the most honest one for the time being.]
Second, I find your puzzlement with the fear of nonexistence utterly incoherent. Humans are born with the desire to live. We don't want to stop existing. Stating the obvious truth that one can't experience things when they are dead is completely void of content - the point is that we fear our eternal end WHILE we are alive because we'd like to continue on and be healthy again.
It is entirely unclear to me that a bot that might make simple reservations at small group of establishments that include only restaurants and hair salons is in any way revolutionary. Even if it worked 100% of the time, who is making daily hair and restaurant reservations that would benefit from the extra 90 seconds? It's silly the amount of hype this is eliciting. You have a very strange definition of "revolutionary".
What is remarkable, to the point of comedy, is the reliability with which this refusal is accompanied by one or two sentence explanations that imply a miraculous end to the long, complex philosophical exploration of the mind-body problem that humanity has struggled with for millennia.
"They are processes in an organism, and we construct models of the self to help us get through the day" is one such meaningless explanation. You've answered nothing. You've done nothing. The problem of qualia? The unity problem? The knowledge problem?
The comparison with gravity was indeed unfair, but not in the way you think. It is unfair in that the problems of phenomenology and consciousness are much harder (see Knowledge Problem) because of their resistance to modeling (or any other kind of study that doesn't involve introspection).
To call "consciousness" and "feeling" folk terms and use that to dismiss incredibly simple and clear questions is the intellectual equivalent of tapping out. It's so simple: "what is the nature of the feelings themselves, apart from the dynamics of the system they are correlated with?"
So yes, it is surprising. You don't seem to understand the most basic principles underlying the so-called hard problem. Nowhere in your description about "complex things" and "integrating" and "complicated external stimuli" and "communicating about its state" have you even attempted to point out why it actually DOES feel like something to be that system. Why does all this stuff actually lead to the feeling of pain, or intense grief, or pleasure, or anything at all. That is the fundamental mystery - why does it feel like anything at all when this "stuff" happens, and what is the nature of the feelings themselves. There are tons of mysteries here that you can't gloss over by saying "well why wouldn't it??".
The holy grail AI composer would be able to generate unique, creative, well-crafted material on demand. Almost every system that has existed thus far generates mostly nonsense, but the results are tweaked or hand-selected by humans. Those that don't hand-select are the ones that sound algorithmic and computer-generated to anyone with remote music ability. That's why the current state-of-the-art in on-demand music generation sounds like elevator music - and to a trained musician you can still tell there's something "off" about it (Jukedeck, etc.).
I really hate that we have to criticize these awful articles and press releases all the time, because this work is actually really cool, but because the researchers and article writers constantly go overboard with their claims and rhetoric, the level-headed people have to come along and say: "look, this is cool, but it's nowhere near the claims you're making". I'm really sick of this happening with every DeepMind/FAIR/Microsoft/IBM result that gets published. It's so tiring.
The point is that we experience time as flowing in a certain direction and can't experience it any other way. Knowing that we continue to exist in some tiny sliver of spacetime doesn't change that fact, and so it is not very comforting, for easily understandable reasons.
If you're on your deathbed, with your conscious experience about to flicker and die, no one in the room is going to be comforted by you saying "well look at it this way, my 2 year old self still exists somewhere that you can't ever access and that I'll never return to, and even if I did, none of us would have any idea that this conversation was going to happen in 90 years".
Is that the best evidence you have? Because it's crap.